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 #18566  by zoppenheimer
 Tue Jun 19, 2007 10:25 am
Just watched the one from the closing of winterland dvd. I never really liked fire that much until now. Could anyone suggest some of their favorites from any other dates?

 #18567  by bodiddley
 Tue Jun 19, 2007 10:41 am
11-30-80, 6-28-88. I have a love/hate thing with "Fire". I tend to get horribly bored with it usually about halfway through, afterall it only has 2 chords. Having said that, the Dead could usually do more with just 2 chords than most bands could do with 10.

 #18568  by LazyLightnin
 Tue Jun 19, 2007 10:47 am
theres alot of good ones out there, right now my fave would have to 10-31-91. it features mr. Bruce Hornsby on a grand piano i beleive and some trippy flute midi from jerry. the jams not the longest but its great and they dont skip a beat, the transition is also pretty much flawless, totally upbeat. Jerrys voice is a little scratchy but sometimes thats when he sounds best! check out the whole show at archive the whole thing smokes, best help>slip>frank of the nineties imo

 #18569  by mttourpro
 Tue Jun 19, 2007 10:53 am
6-16-85 Greek Theatre Set 2 is not only my personal fav for Scarlet>Fire, but the whole set smokes frome end to end.

They broke out Cryptical and played a very sick Samson and also the Other One and Wharfrat. It isn't a super-well-known show, but I highly reccomend getting it.

 #18571  by bodiddley
 Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:18 am
It's just a matter of time until someone brings up the epic greatness of 5-8-77 so I'll just do it now and get it over with.

 #18572  by 35FLA
 Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:27 am
best Scarlet > Fire.....

easy one for me, hearing this made me a deadhead

3-22-90 Copps Coliseum, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada....

Amazing, really listen to this one. The show is grate, the only Hey Jude > Dear Mr. Fantasy > Hey Jude Finale

 #18575  by 35FLA
 Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:53 am
i just gotta say 5-8-77 is one of the worst shows of that month and the MOST overrated show ever. IMO

Heck 5-7-77 is way better as is 5-9-77 and the southern part of that tour was on FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!

 #18578  by BlobWeird
 Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:20 pm
I am with 35FLA somewhat. 5/8/77 is wayy overrated. BUT it does have some good versions. Umm the first and most important is Row Jimmy. Its an amazing version! The Scarlet Fire is my second fav. New Minglewood is nice. The rest is alright. Some people say that M dew is the best. umm YEAH RIGHT. haha certainly not even on my top5 but anyway my favorite Scarlet Fire, even though I havent listened to an extensive number of em, would have to be from Dicks Picks 18 2/5/78. That DP has tons of great stuff besides that too. Awesome TLEO and Music Never Stopped.

 #18591  by tigerstrat
 Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:57 pm
ebick wrote:Let me save everyone a bunch of time ... ht=scarlet
What? And deprive everyone of repeating ourselves ad nauseum?

2/27/81! By a light-year... such incredible grind and grace. In fact pick almost any 1981 S>F and it's bound to be a Top 20. 10/19/81 Barcelona and 9/12/81 Berkeley round out the triumvirate, but its also hard to overlook the 81 MSG and also the Copenhagen... both of those feature incredibly... impossibly FAT, UNBORING Fires. T'was a powerfully magical year for those, '81. imho of course

Here's a NEW spin on the old question:

When somebody asks you your fave S>F
, and that first little audio highlight reel pops into your head... is it from the Scarlet or the Fire part of the equation? Which one is more important to "judging" (kinda icky term to apply to the Grateful Dead experience, eh?) a specific Scarlet>Fire combo?
Last edited by tigerstrat on Tue Jun 19, 2007 5:14 pm, edited 1 time in total.

 #18592  by Crazy 9.5 Fingers
 Tue Jun 19, 2007 5:08 pm
Tiger nice spin. I would have to say I always think about the moment where Jerry starts to noodle around the opening phrases of Fire. It isn't quite Fire yet, but it is more Fire than the rest of the transition jam.

 #18593  by Erictw83
 Tue Jun 19, 2007 5:13 pm
I think I like the "scarlet" part of the jam better. That's not to diss Fire, it is a great song as well, but it does have a tendency to bore me with its predictability. I find myself digging scarlet more when (on the rare occassion) it is played as a stand alone track/jam with out fire, for example off of Dicks Picks 20, 9/25/76

 #18594  by tigerstrat
 Tue Jun 19, 2007 5:19 pm
Sorry about the edit-after-reply; twas just adding this re-phrase:
tigerstrat wrote:Which one is more important to "judging" (kinda icky term to apply to the Grateful Dead experience, eh?) a specific Scarlet>Fire combo?

 #18595  by strumminsix
 Tue Jun 19, 2007 5:22 pm
Nice TS!!! Easy... Scarlet (after the first verse I skip Fire)