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 #2214  by LazyLightnin
 Sat Nov 26, 2005 5:25 pm
only streaming aud now at archive? and the Gans blog....yeesh :cry:


 #2217  by Billbbill
 Sun Nov 27, 2005 12:04 am
Oh well. It was nice while it lasted.
 #2223  by Guest
 Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:14 pm
Is this permanent?
It really puts a cramp in my style.
 #2226  by phpbb
 Wed Nov 30, 2005 6:42 am ... _of_g.html

John Barlow's Response -

You have no idea how sad I am about this. I fought it hammer and tong, but the drummers had inoperable bricks in their head about it.

What's worse is that they now want to remove all Dead music from the Web. They might as easily put a teaspoon of food coloring in a swimming pool and then tell the pool owner to get it back to them.

It's like finding out that your brother is a child molester. And then, worse, having everyone then assume that you're a child molester too. I've been called a hypocrite in three languages already.

How magnificently counter-productive of them. It's as if the goose who laid the golden egg had decided to commit suicide so that he could get more golden eggs.

This is just the beginning of the backlash, I promise you.

This is worse than the RIAA suing their customers.

 #2227  by jck_strw
 Wed Nov 30, 2005 7:46 am
I'm sorely disappointed, but I'm reserving judgement until I see what GDM decides to do. Here's Phil's take on it:
Last Update: November 30, 2005

An Announcement from Phil Lesh:

It was brought to my attention that all of the Grateful Dead shows were taken down from right before Thanksgiving. I was not part of this decision making process and was not notified that the shows were to be pulled. I do feel that the music is the Grateful Dead's legacy and I hope that one way or another all of it is available for those who want it . I have enjoyed using and found it invaluable during the writing of my book. I found myself being pulled back in time listening to old Grateful Dead shows while giggling with glee or feeling that ache in my heart listening to Jerry's poetic guitar and sweet voice.

We are musicians not businessmen and have made good and bad decisions on our journey. We do love and care about our community as you helped us make the music. We could not have made this kind of music without you as you allowed us to play "without a net". Your love, trust and patience made it possible for us to try again the next show when we couldn't get that magic carpet off the ground. Your concerns have been heard and I am sure are being respectfully addressed.
- Phil

 #2229  by Billbbill
 Wed Nov 30, 2005 10:47 am
This whole episode flies in the face of what I know of Jerry's quote that once they play it, it's out there for anyone, or something like that.

It seems to me a compromise would have been to "shelve" about 150 or so shows that would be designated for official release and therefore unavailable for download. This was already the case for many Dick's Pick's previous releases. Many were not available on the archive as it was.

Do they have the right to do what they're doing? I would certainly guess they would.

Considering where they came from and their history could you call this bush league?

You bet.

 #2239  by strumminsix
 Wed Nov 30, 2005 5:48 pm
Keep in mind that JG's quote was in regards to audience tapes. The GD never officially allowed SBDs.

The real argument we as fans should be fighting is the inability to DL AUDs which they did FREELY give to fans and now we no longer have them available.

PErsonally I've got a couple hundred shows and still DL from BT sources which are fine and which are truly SHARING vs. the LMA which was not trading or sharing it was hosting.

I'd advise us to fight for the AUDs and start BT'ing.

 #2241  by Billbbill
 Wed Nov 30, 2005 8:17 pm
So those folks (a few friends of mine) pluggin' their equipment into the soundboard were "unofficially" getting those recordings? Admittedly among a forest of mic stands.

That's official enough for me. Besides, all of a sudden they have a problem with it?

It's a bit like removing a splinter with a sledgehammer it is.
 #2242  by phpbb
 Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:46 am

Complete recordings of Grateful Dead concerts should once again be available at the online Internet Archive ( as early as tonight.

According to Grateful Dead spokesman Dennis McNally, the removal on November 22 of all downloadable Dead recordings from was the result of ?a great communication snafu.?

?It is my understanding that by the end of the day, the audience tapes will be restored to,? McNally said by phone.

This still sounds like it excludes SBD's?

 #2243  by Billbbill
 Thu Dec 01, 2005 8:29 am
Good news phpbb.

Correction to my previous post. My friend was hooked up to the mics. My apologies. :x

 #2244  by Billbbill
 Thu Dec 01, 2005 8:55 am
Oops. Missed that last line phpbb. Probably still sbd-less.

 #2248  by strumminsix
 Thu Dec 01, 2005 2:10 pm
My point was that SBDs are different from AUDs.

And look, now we have them back.

Healy, from what I know, allowed patches for "favors".

So, therefore it was not a legitimate recording.

I'd bet a $1 that says all this has to do with the agreement they got into with iTunes about a year back. It only seems logical that if they signed an agreement with iTunes to catalogue and sell all of their SBDs then they can no longer allow SBDs available for download.

Again, get on some FTP & BT sites!

Bust out the bubble mailers!

It's not the end of the world it's the end of convenience.

Shit, I remember back in the day getting a 4th generation on tape 3 months after a show and I was happy.

 #2249  by Billbbill
 Thu Dec 01, 2005 3:20 pm
Frankly I often prefer a good aud to sdb due to the role the crowd plays in the mix. But for every one of those there are five or more that have big problems. I've got a tape of a Nassau Coliseum show with some dork clapping about five feet from the mic for the whole show.Then there're people talking or bad mixes of the instruments, too bassy etc.

I'll just wade through the crap as I've always done anyway. Maybe I'll dabble in BT.

 #2250  by strumminsix
 Thu Dec 01, 2005 3:32 pm
Billbillbillbill, you've got to get into BT. When you do you need to look for shows call MATRIX. What these are are shows that are a blend, if you will, of both SBD & AUD.

They truly give you the best of both worlds.