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 #524  by raven
 Sun Jul 18, 2004 5:30 pm
would you use a Dmaj scale to solo with on "Playin", and in what positions on the fret board.
 #539  by whatever
 Wed Jul 21, 2004 12:32 am
I'd use D major or D mixolydian. or both

 #1582  by jhc
 Sat Apr 16, 2005 9:45 pm
Depending on the versrion you're going for, I'd use D Dorian (earlier versions) or D mixolydian (later, 80's/90's versions)

 #1583  by ebick
 Sun Apr 17, 2005 8:38 am
We need more of this.

It's great to have different scales posted, and Kenny goes deep on that subject. But I think it would be great if players would post how they apply different scales to each song.

I'd even like to add a line to each page in the archve to say.....

For solos, try..........

Anyone want to tackle that task?

 #41895  by LazyLightnin
 Tue Apr 15, 2008 6:54 pm
Ive been messin around with Dm for the space. any other suggestions?

 #41899  by myoung6923
 Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:03 pm
The solo starts in Dmaj - I use a D mixolydian for this part. Then after a while it drifts into Dm and I pretty much use D dorian for this - but it's wide open for all sorts of stuff. So the bulk of the jam is Dm.

Then - like during the 70's playin' jams - it comes back in with a minor riff - changes to the major riff coming back into the bridge and then to the chorus.

 #41930  by bucketorain
 Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:59 am
ebick wrote:We need more of this.

It's great to have different scales posted, and Kenny goes deep on that subject. But I think it would be great if players would post how they apply different scales to each song.

I'd even like to add a line to each page in the archve to say.....

For solos, try..........

Anyone want to tackle that task?
i concure wiht Ed on this one...i know there was a list going around with the song scales but is there a way to put it up so its in the song archive???

 #44507  by old man down
 Sat May 31, 2008 10:25 am
The way it works here (Ace) is the conventional simple space riff is in the key of G (D mixolydian) taking you away from the last series of chorus lyrics.

Then an abrupt change in the feel occurs, an instantaneous shift to the key of C. (D dorian)

Garcia, upon this change, drops back for an instant, letting the band set up the backdrop of D dorian, and then he drifs up into his high note lead and stays firmly in the grip of D dorian.

Within the jam, he intersperses a little chromaticism, but just to get him to different elements that are possible against the D dorian mode. It is an extremely fun jam to execute for the high note lead lines because they are so dramatic against the dorian feel. Moreover, technique here allows for all sorts of persuasion.

Hitting a high note repeatedly and dragging your finger to the next lower note fret, over and over, emotes an extremely powerful falling into sadness sensation. Also used separately here is the combination of accurately timed picking of a note with a hammering of a note two frets higher, that produces an offsetting upward cascade, allowing the picking to take on atmospherics of utterly fast, as though impossible, repetition of tight note singles and pairs. He works it to perfection, never letting the listener come up for air, removing all ofthe air in the cyclonic vacuum of the technique, as though suffocating the listener to the point of hallucination.

Finally, he comes out of the D dorian mode at the very end, a very dramatic change, the kind of change where Garcia brings everything down to an essence, or better, a quiescence, and changes the tone, and mode, on a single note, a G string high eleventh fret F#.

Everything shifts back again to the key of G. (D mixolydian)

So the jam take away, jam proper, and return involve using a key modulation of simply G to C, and then back to G again. But because the emphasis is D mixolydian, to D dorian, and then back, the result is one of the most finely articulated examples of the Dead's depth, producing one of the best Grateful Dead studio jams ever recorded.

 #44512  by sack the wack
 Sat May 31, 2008 2:24 pm
OMD, nice post, informative and poetic

 #44515  by acidrain30005
 Sat May 31, 2008 6:09 pm
I find D dorian to be good for the early-to-mid-seventies period Playin's.