"Cats Down Under..." Vids vs Studio - Tabs, take-1:

"Cats Down Under..." Vids vs Studio - Tabs, take-1:

Postby Pete B. » Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:44 am

[Morning after Edit:] Holy Cow!... The Live version is different than the Studio version in a coupla spots!... Yikes!
[insert "now I'm really scratchin' my head" icon here] :drink: :D .


Got a request to work this one up for our Monday night Trio jam, so I went to the JGB vids.
Watch how Jer uses his thumb to grab the quick slide-up, at exactly 4:21.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHZkw_AYlag&NR=1

Other vids:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNvO7zEO ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01FUkBYz ... re=related


Some observations...

The intro - Based on how I see Jer playing it live (He catches the F and C mainly with just his pinky - also, I don't think he plays the first string on any of these chords, but I put it in anyway):
------F---Em-Dm-Am----C----G---F
E|--------7----5----5----------3----1--
B|--10---8----6----5-----5----3----1--
G|--10---9----7----5-----5----4----2--
D|--10---9----7----7-----5----5----3--
A|--------7----5----7----------3----3--
E|--------------------------------------


The little peal-off he does when going down to the Em of the theme lick (usually right after the phrase "Cats down under the stars" except for the very first Intro) is very similar to the Loser intro (but in Em).
E|-----------------
B|-----------------
G|-----------------
D|-----------------
A|--2--1--0--------
E|-----------3--0--

He also has at least two other licks he subs in sometimes.
Starting at the end of the word "Stars" he sometimes does this directly after the Am (going to G):
Starting ~8:43 of this You Tube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHZkw_AYlag&NR=1

E|-------------------------------
B|-------------------------------
G|-------------------------------
D|-------------------------------
A|-------------------------------
E|--3--2--3------1--0--1------0--

At 8:55 of the same Youtube, he plays this one (you can hear 'em both within about 10 seconds):
E|-------------------------------
B|-------------------------------
G|-------------------------------
D|--0----------------------------
A|-----2---------3--0------------
E|--------3------------1------0--


Here is the rest of the theme-lick guitar phrase. Play this right out of an open G-chord position on strings 5 and 6. Just lift/lower your index and middle fingers (like they are glued together for at least the first 8 notes, if not the whole thing) on strings 5 and 6 (you can depress both strings as if you are playing the G-chord, but only pick the string you want to hear).
E|------------------------------------------------------------------
B|------------------------------------------------------------------
G|--------------------------------------------------------0--------
D|---------------------------------------------0--2----3-----------
A|--2--0-----0----------0--2--0-----------3-----------------1/3--
E|--------3----------3-----------3-------3-------------------------


Open position chords:
-C---C------F---F--------Am--G--
Cats Down Un-der the Staa-ars


The Walkup(s) leading either to the Verse, or Satin Blouse, are just Mixo scales with a half or whole-step toggle (If you play just the first note of these triplets you will see it is a Major scale ending on a Flat 7). Instead of playing the scale in one position, Jerry moves up the neck on string 5. Again, keep your index and middle fingers basically touching each other as you ascend the half-step toggles on string 5. Play the final note with your ring finger.
Coming out of: "Cats Down Un-der The Staa-ars...
E|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
B|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
G|------------------------------------------------------------------------------
D|------------------------------------------------------------------------------
A|--------------------------2-----2----3--2--3----5--4--5----7--6--7----8--- C7 chord at 8th fret.
E|--3--2--3----5--3--5-------5-------------------------------------------------

This part comes a little later, but...
Leading into Satin Blouse, it's the same thing, two frets up:
E|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
B|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
G|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
D|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
A|--------------------------4-----4-----5--4--5----7--6--7----9--8--9----10--
E|--5--4--5----7--5--7-------7-------------------------------------------------


Back to the verses...
When it gets to the Verses, there is a short jam in C (and/or C7), where he plays a few bars of a Pentatonic-ee nature.
He sings the Verses in C(7) and eventually gets to the lines...
"Cla-vi-nette", "Be All right", etc... and the chords are F-Em-D

----own--way--back
E|---------7---------
B|--10----8-----7--
G|--10----9-----7--
D|--10----9-----7--
A|-------------------
E|-------------------


"I Ain't Ready Yet" is Am and D, with a lttle Am Dorian run:
Repeat 2x:
E|------------------5----5--
B|------------------5----7--
G|------------------5----7--
D|------------------7----7--
A|--7--6--5--------7----5--
E|-----------8--5--5----5---


"Think I'll take a Walk Down Town In--stead" is exactly the same as the Intro:
---F--------Em----Dm---Am----C-----G---F

Repeat the Theme Lick and Chorus, then the double walk-ups.


The "Satin Blouse Un-Button-ing" part is basically the same lick as the intro to Miss Halfstep, but with a whole step for the first note (and it's in Dm).

-----Sa--tin--Blouse--Un--Bu----tton-ing
E|--10--10----10-----10---10----10---10--
B|--10--10----10-----10---10----10---10--
G|--10--10----10-----10---10----10---10--
D|--12--10----12-----10----9-----9-----8---
A|--------------------------------------------
E|--------------------------------------------


For the "Time is a stripper" part, he drops to an A7 at the 5th fret.
"Just For You" is F-C-G (mainly on strings 2,3,4).
Time is a...-Just For You
----A7---------F----C---G--
E|--5----------5---------3--
B|--5----------6----5----3--
G|--6----------5----5----4--
D|--5----------7----5----5--
A|--7-----------------------
E|--------------------------

The second "Just For You" is the same thing, two frets lower:
----Eb-Bb-F
E|--3-----1--
B|--4--3--1--
G|--3--3--2--
D|--5--3--3--
A|-----------
E|-----------


He then jumps directly into a solo (effects loop "in") in D7.
At the end of each segment he plays a little 3 note change-up, D#,D,C:
So if you were maybe making a rhythm-guitar track to solo over, backing up a buddy on rhythm guitar, or mimicking the rhythm-keyboard (on guitar), you could play this:
-D7 jam--D#-Bb-F-
E|--------------------
B|--3------4--3--1--
G|--5------3--3--2--
D|--4------5--3--3--
A|--5----------------
E|-------------------

When he finaly gets to the end of the D7 solo, he plays the little 3 note D#,D,C thing, then repeats it a whole step lower.
He end's it on a real deliberate final 2 notes (I will show it as chords), then back to the walk-up in G.
For rhythm guitar purposes, I would play it like this (emphisize the bold notes to get the descending feel):
----D#-Bb-F----C#-Ab-Eb---Bb---F----Begin walk-up in G, and land back on a C (...and the crowd grows nuts! :hail: )
E|--------------------------------------------
B|--4--3--1------2--1--4------3---1---------
G|--3--3--2------1--1--3------3---2--------
D|--5--3--3------3--1--5------3---3--------
A|-----------------------------------3--------
E|-----------------------------------------3-- Walk-up, then last verse.

He ends it with the walk up from G to C [retard=a slowing of tempo].
What a great song!
8) :cool:
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Re: More "Cats":

Postby gr8fulbluz » Thu Oct 28, 2010 1:52 pm

prolly my favorite studio album, I used to have the sticker on my drivers side window.

Watching the solo seems like it could go on forever. Blows me away watching Jerry grab with the thumb over the top. Cause 10 years ago I just couldn't do it. Just one of those things. Now I got it at least pretty consistently on the electric, still working on the acoustic with its fatter neck.

That's why I am headin' down to Alleycat Street. :cool:
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Re: More "Cats":

Postby tigerstrat » Thu Oct 28, 2010 3:10 pm

Yup.

Hmm I wonder who could have requested CUTS for the Mon jam...?
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Re: More "Cats":

Postby Pete B. » Fri Oct 29, 2010 6:52 am

[edit- I put it all in one post at the top. pb]

Here is an alternate Intro that is maybe more like the Album version:
------------------Em---------Am---------C---F--C
E|----------------0-----------0--------------------------------------------
B|----------------0-----------1-----------5--h6---5-----------------------
G|----------------0-----------2-----------5---5---5-----------------------
D|----------------2-----------2-----------5--h7---5--0-h2--3/5----------
A|--2--1--0------2------2----0-------------------------------------1/3----
E|-----------3----0---3-----------0----------------------------------------
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Re: More "Cats":

Postby Tennessee Jedi » Fri Oct 29, 2010 7:05 am

Lots of good stuff Pete - thanks
You working on that big Walk Up part , too ?
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Re: "Cats Down Under..." Vids vs Studio - Tabs, take-1:

Postby Pete B. » Sat Oct 30, 2010 12:30 pm

Uhh... Yeah, So... From the A7 "Time is a Stripper" section, through to the end-of-D7-Solo "Walk-up", those little 3-chord punches he throws in between measures are different, "Live vs. Studio"!!! :?
Get a guitar in your lap, and Que up both a You Tube and the Studio CD side-by-side on your computer and play along with those punches.
Start at 3:25 on the Studio version.
Beginnning 4:15 on this YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHZkw_AYlag&NR=1

Also compare "end of solo chords" Studio starting 4:15, with the above YouTube starting 7:45 (yes, he solo's three-and-a-half minutes longer on the live version).

Some differences I'm hearing (so far)...
The first "Doin it just for YOU" - The "YOU" punches are F-C-G on both versions.
The second "YOU" is C-G-F Studio, F-C-G Live.
The final "JUST FOR YOU" is G-D-C Studio, Eb-Bb-F Live.

I need to correlate with m'Bass-Man to see which version we're working up.
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Re: "Cats Down Under..." YT-Vids vs Studio - Tabs, take-1:

Postby Pete B. » Mon Nov 01, 2010 8:14 am

So?... 'Hate be a Monday Morning Brass-Tack, but the Studio Cats and Live Cats require differnt Tabs to play along.
Yes? No?
The RuKind Song Forum for this tune is pretty bleak. Jes' tryin' to capture this correctly for future generations, n'shit.
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Re: "Cats Down Under..." YT-Vids vs Studio - Tabs, take-1:

Postby tigerstrat » Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:06 am

Pete B. wrote:So?... 'Hate be a Monday Morning Brass-Tack, but the Studio Cats and Live Cats require differnt Tabs to play along.
Yes? No?
The RuKind Song Forum for this tune is pretty bleak. Jes' tryin' to capture this correctly for future generations, n'shit.


Tabs? We don'need no steenking tabs...

Seriously though, I have to assume Tony is interested in the live version, in advance of his upcoming December gig with the band of the same name. HTH. I must confess to not having heard the studio version in a decade or more... looked like you had several of the differences outlined already, no?
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Re: "Cats Down Under..." YT-Vids vs Studio - Tabs, take-1:

Postby Pete B. » Mon Nov 01, 2010 12:15 pm

tigerstrat wrote:
Pete B. wrote:So?... 'Hate be a Monday Morning Brass-Tack, but the Studio Cats and Live Cats require differnt Tabs to play along.
Yes? No?
The RuKind Song Forum for this tune is pretty bleak. Jes' tryin' to capture this correctly for future generations, n'shit.


Tabs? We don'need no steenking tabs...

Seriously though, I have to assume Tony is interested in the live version, in advance of his upcoming December gig with the band of the same name. HTH. I must confess to not having heard the studio version in a decade or more... looked like you had several of the differences outlined already, no?


Our buddy is working on the Studio version (stop the presses!), but I want the people of earth to be able to effortlessly play along with either version. I have the differences outlined on paper (I'll get a clear 'differences" post up at some point). I was so stoked to play along with the studio version having just learned the YouTube version... only to have my hump busted by the big guy. I'm under the impression that I'm the only one having this problem???, so wanted to check with the Brethren. What's HTH in this context?... Hard To Handle? :oops:
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Re: "Cats Down Under..." Vids vs Studio - Tabs, take-1:

Postby waldo041 » Mon Nov 01, 2010 12:23 pm

HTH = Hope That Helps.

Pete,

i appreciate this, thanks for the work!

i'd be more prone to playing the live version way. like bird song in a different key in the studio version, it appears that this one was still being worked out and the live version would probably represent what jerry was after with the tune.

peace,
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Re: "Cats Down Under..." Vids vs Studio - Tabs, take-1:

Postby Pete B. » Mon Nov 01, 2010 12:51 pm

waldo041 wrote:HTH = Hope That Helps.

Pete,

i appreciate this, thanks for the work!

i'd be more prone to playing the live version way. like bird song in a different key in the studio version, it appears that this one was still being worked out and the live version would probably represent what jerry was after with the tune.

peace,
waldo


Thanks!
I was thinking that no Instructional Vid was needed, just time-stamps of the Jer vids with matching tabs (why do I like the word "tabs" so much?).
...Each layer of the onion reveals a new twist.
And to beat all, a black cat actually crossed my path last night.
I read on another site that the Theme lick to this tune (Em-Am,etc...) is called "The Ally Cat Strut".
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Re: "Cats Down Under..." Vids vs Studio - Tabs, take-1:

Postby Pete B. » Thu Nov 04, 2010 12:22 pm

I found/fixed a few chord typos, and fixed a few things I thought weren't quite right yet, including updating the walk-ups to be like Jer plays 'em, ascending up the 5th string.
350+ views! I hope folks are playing this tune along with the Live version and having fun with it!
I think the top post now pretty much captures how Jer plays each segment of this tune, Live.
There are a few places he plays single note runs that I took the liberty to add chord-forms for guys playing solo.
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Re: "Cats Down Under..." Vids vs Studio - Tabs, take-1:

Postby tigerstrat » Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:00 pm

Pete B. wrote:I found/fixed a few chord typos, and fixed a few things I thought weren't quite right yet, including updating the walk-ups to be like Jer plays 'em, ascending up the 5th string.
350+ views! I hope folks are playing this tune along with the Live version and having fun with it!
I think the top post now pretty much captures how Jer plays each segment of this tune, Live.
There are a few places he plays single note runs that I took the liberty to add chord-forms for guys playing solo.
:cool:


I was gonna say something about the 5th string walkup, also I do the Satin Blouse part at the VII pos., but 6 vs. half a dozen
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Re: "Cats Down Under..." Vids vs Studio - Tabs, take-1:

Postby Rusty the Scoob » Sat Mar 05, 2011 9:12 am

Good stuff here, a lot of good corrections to the tab. Here are my few which mostly match the above but are simplified for us four or five stringers.

Time Is A Stripper is:
Am F C G then
Am F C G, Eb Bb F

Then you're soloing in D7

D7...... Eb Bb F
repeat until Jerry's done, then:
D7 Eb Bb/D F, Db Ab/C Eb
Bb. A. G..... etc back to the verse.
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Re: "Cats Down Under..." Vids vs Studio - Tabs, take-1:

Postby Pete B. » Sat Mar 05, 2011 9:22 am

Rusty the Scoob wrote:Good stuff here, a lot of good corrections to the tab. Here are my few which mostly match the above but are simplified for us four or five stringers.

Time Is A Stripper is:
Am F C G then
Am F C G, Eb Bb F

Then you're soloing in D7

Where you wrote Am?... Jer plays an A7 there.

Rusty the Scoob wrote:D7...... Eb Bb F
repeat until Jerry's done, then:
D7 Eb Bb/D F, Db Ab/C Eb
Bb. A. G..... etc back to the verse.

I see you are talking about the "Live" version.
Note: This won't work for those playing along with the Album (fwiw, I see there are YouTubes out there of DeadHead bands playing both Live and Studio versions).
The basic chords in D7 Jam (album/studio version), are:
D7... Bb,F,C.

I like your Bb over open D (Bb/D).
That sounds great!

Here's a group doing a nice job of the Studio Version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdtF1kqOfXc
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