Tab for Cumberland:

Tab for Cumberland:

Postby Pete B. » Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:40 am

I basically have trouble agreeing with others on the playing this part, every time it comes up with a different group (then I get confused and play it wrong myself :lol: ).
Concerning the chords for "away" in this line:
"Made anymore, I might move away...."

Here's what RUKIND has, for this specific line:
F..........................................C....Am7....C7....Em
Made anymore, I might move away.

I've always played:
F.......................................F(2 beats)....C(2 beats)....Am(4 beats)....Em (3 beats, then walk up to G during beat 4)
Made anymore, I might move aw----Ay-1...........Ay-2.............Ay-3.........Ay-4

What's up with that C7???
C....Am7....C7....Em

[had to put all those dots in there to get the spacing right]
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Re: Tab for Cumberland:

Postby strumminsix » Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:43 am

I agree with that, Pete.

Regarding the C7....

I hear the C7's Bb as a leading tone which I use as a tool vs a hard chord persay.

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Re: Tab for Cumberland:

Postby tigerstrat » Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:02 pm

Altering my chart (the quote of it will remain unchanged): 4 beats (not 2) on the C7 and initial "-ay". So that's 4 beats each on the C7, Am & Em.

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2/4:
F............................. C7(,2,1,2)... Am(,2,1,2)... Em(,2,1,2)....G(,2,1,2,1,2...)
"Made anymore, I might move aw-ay-(1)...... -ay(2)...... -ay"(3)
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Re: Tab for Cumberland:

Postby Pete B. » Sat Feb 06, 2010 9:58 am

tigerstrat wrote:2/4:

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F.............................C7(,2)....Am(,2,1,2)....Em(,2,1,2)....G(,2,1,2,1,2...)
Made anymore, I might move aw-ay-1......ay-2..........ay-3


2/4 time sig, agreed (in my count above I am counting the twos of 2/4), but If you are saying "ay-1" is a C7, and there are only 3 "ay's", I would have to disagree with that.

I would agree there are 3 "imes" on the previous F:
Thats where I mainly spend my Ti...ii...ime.

I could swing by this afternoon to block it out beat by beat and put it to rest if you want to.
I think the rukind tab for that line is probably messing alot of folks up.
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Re: Tab for Cumberland:

Postby Pete B. » Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:40 am

So anyone playing Cumberland these days wanna chime in on this?
I'm told i'm throwing in an extra chord, but this is what (i think) I'm hearing in all era's of this tune:


F.......................................F(2 beats)....C(2 beats)....Am(4 beats)....Em (3 beats, then walk up towards G during beat 4)
Made anymore, I might move a----(w)Ay-1.........Ay-2.............Ay-3.........Ay-4

I thought I was gonna get it from the horses mouth here (Jer is showing Vince the chords to Cumberland during soundcheck).
http://www.archive.org/details/gd93-03- ... beok.flacf

Man, Jer also has like a dozen variations on his intro lick thru the years.
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Re: Tab for Cumberland:

Postby tigerstrat » Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:14 am

tweaking what i originally posted to align with Pete's Alpine 89 YT link below:

2/4:
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F........................... F(,2) C7(,2)... Am(,2,1,2)... Em(,2,1,2)....G(,2,1,2,1,2...)
"Made anymore, I might move away-ay(1.5)...... -ay(2)...... -ay"(3)


"Ay"s: 4 syllables, but only 3 "measures" (if counting 4s), squeezing two Ays into the the first "measure".
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Re: Tab for Cumberland:

Postby Pete B. » Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:57 am

Check this out:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1973-0 ... eok.flac16

At 3:37 I hear an F.
At 3:38 I hear a C.

Are we saying the same thing?
Is the RuK Tab correct?
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Re: Tab for Cumberland:

Postby jdsmodulus » Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:23 pm

I listened to it a few times and really it sounds like Jerry just misfretted and played the half steps from C. This is a strange tune in that there are so many versions of it and they always seem to have a different lick at that point. At 3:37
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Re: Tab for Cumberland:

Postby Pete B. » Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:36 pm

Watch Jer's (and Bobby's) hand change chords from F to C (on the 2nd "ay"), right about 7:00-7:05.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWcTFZUlNjM
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Re: Tab for Cumberland:

Postby Grateful Dad » Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:37 pm

F C Am7 C7 Em to G 3X to "lotta poor man..."
Made anymore I might move a-way--ay----ay-------ay---------ay-ay-ay--ay--ay

Note: the C - Am7 - C7 chords change on the second beat of their 2/4 measure and the last measure for the Em chord is a 1/2 measure before it goes into the G riff.
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Re: Tab for Cumberland:

Postby Pete B. » Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:00 pm

Grateful Dad, could you insert dashes to get your chords lined up with the words? Thx.
I need to see where that C7 goes.
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Re: Tab for Cumberland:

Postby Pete B. » Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:06 pm

Check out how the DNB punch it starting approx 4:55:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFBNe3NbgYc

fwiw, David played on the original studio version.
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Some nice Pedal Steel in there too, towards the end. Thanks Barry!
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Re: Tab for Cumberland:

Postby jdsmodulus » Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:21 pm

That was an awesome vid of DNB. But again they shot pans out right during the F change. It is F though C7 Em for sure its just the placement that counts. Now im going to have to revisit this tune. Ive been thinking about it all day. Not to mention watched at least 5 vids and 3 or 4 shows with it! It goes to show I think someone mentioned this the other day, I (we) all get into patterns where we know the tune but I find the hardest thing overall is breaking old habits. Now with Cumberland, I have been playing this tune for many years and I think I have played it wrong the whole time!
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Re: Tab for Cumberland:

Postby Pete B. » Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:21 pm

Note: For anybody wondering, TS's notation uses the "chord name" as the "1", and the numbers in parenthesis as the continuation of the "count".
So for example "F(,2)" is the same as counting the beats as "1,2". In 2/4 time-sig we only count as high as 2 (count 1,2 on your fingers while tapping 4 beats with your foot).

tigerstrat wrote:tweaking what i originally posted to align with Pete's Alpine 89 YT link below:

2/4:
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F........................... F(,2) C7(,2)... Am(,2,1,2)... Em(,2,1,2)....G(,2,1,2,1,2...)
"Made anymore, I might move away-ay(1.5)...... -ay(2)...... -ay"(3)


"Ay"s: 4 syllables, but only 3 "measures" (if counting 4s), squeezing two Ays into the the first "measure".


We are basically seeing it eye to eye now (uhh... I'm not gonna touch the "(1.5)" thing, but I believe we hear it the same now).
I believe we are in sync with The GD and The DNB, as well.
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F.....................................F(,2)...C(,2)...Am(,2,1,2)....Em(,2,1,2)....G.
"Made anymore, I might move a-way.....ay........ay..............ay"

fwiw, I don't hear a C7.

The (picking hand) playing of the F>C over "a-way---ay" is similar to the intro punches from Second That Emotion.

Here's a good one (jerry and bobby are mixed hard left and right) where you can set your balance all the way to Bobbys side (or Jerry's) and hear clearly what he plays (F,C,Am,Em):
http://www.archive.org/details/gd71-11- ... efail.shnf
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Re: Tab for Cumberland:

Postby strumminsix » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:46 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOYSWv2tAMc 4:45
Grateful Dead - Cumberland Blues - June 27 1984

Moves look like and sounds like: F / | C / | Em / | C /

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G----2-2---0-0---0-0---0-0---0------
D----3-3---2-2---2-2---2-2---0------
A----3-3---3-3---2-2---3-3---2------
E----------------------------3------
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