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by **Tennessee Jedi** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:39 am

Does anyone have any tips,suggestions,exercises,or examples for Jerrys
- pulloffs
- the bend and release thingy
- or anything Jerry ?
I want to work up a practice routine in Jerrys style ...
I'll take any and all suggestions...
Thanks Dudes!

:cool:

by **Pete B.** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:15 am

TJ,
If you are working on particular songs, try playing along with the DVD for those songs, multiple versions if possible.
There are tons of close-up's in the GD DVD's.

Cruise the web, JDarks has a ton of instructional stuff, you've seen my stuff, there are some other guys doing instructional GD stuff (search YouTube for SinglePilot).

There are those two GD instructional DVD's available at like Guitar Center.

Getting the CAGED system down will allow you to rip up and down the neck, there is alot on the web about that.

Remember that on most GD songs, Jerry's part is a "composition" that you have to learn to execute fluently. This takes repetition training.
For example, generally speaking... he always plays pretty much the same thing on Cold Rain And Snow (intro and solo over melody line), Samson & Delihla (intro and verse/chorus licks), Terrapin (1st solo and the big outro), Help/Slip (diminished runs), St. Stephen, Morning Dew, etc... there are a ton of them that you have to be able to play fluently every time if you are going to gig.

If you are talking about improvisational solo'ing, again, watch Jerry solo on the DVD's, note what positions he is playing out of (they usually line up real well with the CAGED thing).

There are at least a halfa dozen blatent Jerry-isms that you should have down, with regard to Jerry-peal-offs, half step bend-backs, Ionian/Dorian/Mixolyidian ascending/decending triplettes, etc.
I may have time to make a vid of some on Thurs/Fri of this week.

Let us know what songs you are working on.

Hope this helps!
Pete B.

by **Tennessee Jedi** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:55 am

You're a saint Pete B.
Tunes been working on
- Promised Land & Round n Round I'm totally fascinated with Jerrys take 50 blues;those 2 note chords he slides around behind the vocals ..double stops ?
- Deal At the very end of every Deal I ever heard Jerry does a bend ....Its after the intro / outro riff when the band is "ending". He hits this type of bend everytime ...I think I'm an overbender ...
- Lost Sailor / Saint I jam with a Bob Cat ( Aridty where are you ?)who does a wicked Lost Sailor / Saint ...not so much me ..
- Stella Its the bend / release thing ..target notes how ?
- Me and my Uncle Bend thing again and the fast riffage behind Bobs vocals :oops:

This one should be easy I know ...
I got those two dvds by Nate Lapointe ...They are well done.He has some cool backing tracks if you email him ..
I solo from the chord shapes. Caged system ?
LOVE the two show 87 DVD for licks - good for Birdsong also Promised land ...
I guess I wish I knew what I was copying if that makes sense..
I'm in a rut ....

by **Tennessee Jedi** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:00 am

Also a bad Habit I have is picking every note.
Hate that ...
its The pull off thing again ...
:smile:

by **sack the wack** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:33 pm

Hey PB, you guys sound pretty accomplished and I'm just a noodler so I was wondering if you could point out some of those websites that have CAGED that give good explanations so I don't go filtering thru a bunch of crap. A buddy showed me something tonight that I think put me on the right track but he didn't know what to call what he was doing. We used an open D chord slid 2 frets to an E position which I'm gonna guess is really the C form (from the open form), then worked sort of a major scale there. How do I make that work for the rest of the neck?
Thanx.

by **Dozin** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:40 pm

Just practice crazy fingers :lol:

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=3JYXm0Mpits[/youtube]

by **Chuckles** » Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:33 am

sack the wack wrote:Hey PB, you guys sound pretty accomplished and I'm just a noodler so I was wondering if you could point out some of those websites that have CAGED that give good explanations so I don't go filtering thru a bunch of crap. A buddy showed me something tonight that I think put me on the right track but he didn't know what to call what he was doing. We used an open D chord slid 2 frets to an E position which I'm gonna guess is really the C form (from the open form), then worked sort of a major scale there. How do I make that work for the rest of the neck?
Thanx.

If you're talking about the E chord with the D moved up two frets, you have the primary chord shape for the arpeggiated Touch of Grey solo!

rock on!
:cool:

For the CAGED system (which I haven't really bought into), go to the Think Tank Archives.

by **sack the wack** » Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:13 am

Arppeggio are another issue for sure. Nice video, I've seen that guy somewhere, not coming to me. Will check archives.

by **sack the wack** » Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:23 am

Not seeing it in there. Did I miss something?

by **bucketorain** » Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:35 am

sack the wack wrote:Hey PB, you guys sound pretty accomplished and I'm just a noodler so I was wondering if you could point out some of those websites that have CAGED that give good explanations so I don't go filtering thru a bunch of crap. A buddy showed me something tonight that I think put me on the right track but he didn't know what to call what he was doing. We used an open D chord slid 2 frets to an E position which I'm gonna guess is really the C form (from the open form), then worked sort of a major scale there. How do I make that work for the rest of the neck?
Thanx.

The easiest way for me to remember the CAGED system is to know all the different chord shapes up and down the neck and where they are...try these sites out...

http://www.teachguitar.com/content/tmcaged.htm
http://www.i-love-guitar.com/caged-system.html
http://www.cagedguitarsystem.net/

Again, this is one way to play solos over chord progressions but if it is the Jerry-isms you are looking for, well, you will need to pull off some of his licks from the DVD's

by **Pete B.** » Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:41 am

Chuckles wrote:
For the CAGED system (which I haven't really bought into), go to the Think Tank Archives.

'Just curious, what's not to buy into?

The Scales overlay directly on top of the Chord Forms, no?

Here is the CAGED sight that was most helpful to me:
http://www.cyberfret.com/scales/major-caged/index.php

This vid demonstrates the half-step bend-back-up-to-the-original-note Jerry-ism:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnomJd1OG6U

fwiw, Pretty much all of these vids are based on the CAGED system:
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?u ... erFace&p=r

by **bucketorain** » Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:03 pm

good on you pete for breaking these out for everyone...

thank you

:cool:

by **sack the wack** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 3:23 am

Thanx to both you guys. Anything else you post will be gratefully accepted

by **Tennessee Jedi** » Thu Jul 03, 2008 7:40 am

I've been getting some good stuff from the 87 dvd of 2 Cali shows ..
Does anyone have any other dvds that are good for Jerry stuff ? I dont have squat.
Any recommendations out there ?
:smile:

by **Pete B.** » Thu Jul 03, 2008 9:40 am

fwiw, I think the Closing of Winterland is excellent for copping Jerry licks.
But they all have moments of close-ups on Jerrys fingers.
I've noted that most of the official releases can be found very inexpensively on either Amazon.com or Overstock.com.
Collect them all... Trade with your friends!
And, as always...
No wagering, please.
:-)

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