Eyes intro

Eyes intro

Postby DenverEd » Mon Nov 07, 2005 3:18 pm

I could swear on the GD movie, Jerry plays something on the 4th fret between Emaj7 and A during the intro. Anyone know what chrod this might be?
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Postby Billbbill » Mon Nov 07, 2005 6:11 pm

It's a different Emaj7

The whole thing would be

---Emaj7---A---Emaj7

E----7-----5-----4-------
B----9-----5-----4-------
G----8-----6-----4-------
D----9-----7-----6-------
A----7-----7-----7-------
E------------------------


I think this is what you're talkin about.
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Postby strumminsix » Tue Nov 08, 2005 8:47 am

Okay, I'm gonna play the role of Kenny here.



Guess, I need something clever first. Let's see:
Dammit, Jim, I'm a doctor not an escalator!



Let's review the E scale:
E F# Ab A B C# Eb E

Now let's review the Emaj7 (1 3 5 7)
E Ab B Eb

Okay, good? Now if you look at the 1 3 5 7 of the Emaj7 take special note of the 3 5 7 allow the bassist to carry the root which is very common in jazz and blues.

The 3 5 7 is Ab B Eb which is the?????? Abm

Now let's examine what the hell Mr. Garcia could do off the fouth:


...Emaj7.....Abm
E --4---------4---------------
B --4---------4---------------
G --4---------4---------------
D --6---------6---------------
A --7---------6---------------
E ----------------------------


Now here's the rub, the Abm won't sound right on it's own but it is the *perfect* accompanying chord over the Emaj7 for another guitarist to play!



Good day sunshine!

The spirit of Kenny has now left me.
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Postby eyeprod » Thu Dec 15, 2005 11:32 pm

whoa, long answer.

the first guy is right, it's another way to play Emaj7. just do a quick bar over the 4th fret with your first finger. it sounds better than just playing the Emaj7 at the 7th fret for every stroke.
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Postby strumminsix » Fri Dec 16, 2005 9:58 pm

Long answer but correct answer.

Listen carefully when 2 guitarist play.


Also, both bobby and jerry goto the Abm during the last jam kinda gives that "milkin' the turkey" kinda sound
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WHATS THE DIF?

Postby HOWEYMAN » Thu Dec 29, 2005 9:21 am

can some kind fellow (or lady) explain the difference between a
E7 and an Emaj7? hence, would flatening the 3rd in the Emaj7 give you Em7? I know a C is a Cmaj, correct?
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Postby spilly » Fri Dec 30, 2005 11:31 pm

Flatening the third in an Emaj7 would not give you Em7. Flatening the third in an E7, would give you an Em7.

it's like this. Emaj7, is directly related to the E major scale. the 7 means that you would add the seventh note of the scale to the dominant chord. in this case the 7th of E major is D#.

the chord E7 is not directly related to the scale. the 7th note used in this situation falls one whole step down from the dominate note of the chord. if playing an E7 the added note would be a D.

if E7 is the dominant chord in the progression, you might want to solo in A or Em blues.

I hope this helps.
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Postby tigerstrat » Thu Jan 05, 2006 1:54 pm

Neither Abm nor Emaj7 is correct; it is an A6 with no 5. (A,C#,F#)

...and flattening the 3 in a maj7 would give you a min/maj7.
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Postby spilly » Sat Jan 07, 2006 11:30 am

The opener is an Emaj7, I got tired of disputing this and got myself the sheet music, maybe at A6 fits with the movie version, i haven't seen the movie in awhile, but if I remember properly they start the song by itself, they don't jam into it. if this is the case it would be highly unlikely they would use a chord substitution as such right in the begining of the song, these types of alterations are usually reserved for jamming inbetween parts. If they were jamming into the song it would make more sense depending on what their comming out of.
but like i said i haven't seen the movie in a long time
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Postby Billbbill » Sat Jan 07, 2006 5:14 pm

I watched the pertinent portion to reply to DenverEd before I posted. It's pretty cut and dried. You can certainly add the 6th to the A chord for a different flavor but I don't believe thats what DE was looking for. And if I'm not mistaken the A6 would be on the fifth fret, would it not?

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Postby waldo041 » Sun Jan 08, 2006 3:29 pm

I could swear on the GD movie, Jerry plays something on the 4th fret between Emaj7 and A during the intro. Anyone know what chrod this might be?


I think this is what he is using. i could be wrong. give it a try.


---Emaj7---Ebdim7----A---

E--------------------5-------
B----9-------7-------5-------
G----8-------6-------6-------
D----9-------7-------7-------
A----7-------6---------------
E----------------------------

peace,
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Postby JordanL » Mon Jan 09, 2006 7:51 am

I've played this for years. Taught to me by Jeff Matson of the Zen tricksters:

Its Emaj7 - Emaj6 -Emaj7

--7--x--4----
--9--5--4----
--8--6--4----
--9--6--6----
--7--7--7----
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Postby tigerstrat » Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:27 am

Whoa, dude. We have a winner. That Emaj6 is THE one. :smile:

I've spent hours with my band working out the crazy old outro jam from the 73-74 versions (that people somehow get confused with KSM>STD), but our intros had always kept that late-70's/80's flavor, no matter how well we hit the accents and/or slowed it down :? ... and that's why. Jeff really is The Man and thanks for sharing that with the group!
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Postby Billbbill » Mon Jan 09, 2006 4:44 pm

I have to agree. I checked it again and realized the Emaj6 (or Amaj7?) is right. But as a "sub" for the A chord.

It still seems DenverEd was looking for the Emaj7 on the 4th fret but even so I'm betting he wasn't (as I wasn't) aware of the different take on the A chord.

Sounds a tad more jazzy and smooth. I thank you also JordanI.
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Postby fum84 » Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:56 am

that has been bugging me for so long. thank you guys.
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