OBEL problem

Re: OBEL problem

Postby gr8fl4295 » Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:37 am

Still not working even after putting electrical tape on the switch, the cavity, both output jacks, and on the back of their mounting plate.
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Re: OBEL problem

Postby TI4-1009 » Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:28 pm

Can you post a clear cavity photo?
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Re: OBEL problem

Postby waldo041 » Mon Oct 07, 2013 2:10 pm

The two sets of outside lugs are the two sides of the switch, the middle is the pivot point which has the preamp output yellow wire and on its opposite side the wire that goes to the volume pot. On one of the outside lugs, both lugs are jumpered together and on the other are the send and return going to the obel jack. The toggle will be on the opposite side of the set of lugs it is engaging. So when it is toggled over the 2 jumpered lugs the opposite send and return lugs are actually engaged. The video you posted has the side with the effects loop off/not working and the non Obel(jumpered) side of the switch working. So it is actually your Obel side of the switch that is not working.

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Re: OBEL problem

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Re: OBEL problem

Postby waldo041 » Mon Oct 07, 2013 2:38 pm

can you shoot some more pics of your 5way switch and where the 2 white wires are going that are attached to it?

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Re: OBEL problem

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Re: OBEL problem

Postby waldo041 » Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:36 pm

Ok, I see what is going on there. Thanks. The in-between position of the 2 pickups that share that tone control will half it's value being shared in the wiring you have. Meaning things will be darker in that position and only that position.

As far as your Obel switch dilemma, take a 1/4" jumper and jumper out the send and return on your junction box and eliminate any pedal in it.

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Re: OBEL problem

Postby TI4-1009 » Tue Oct 08, 2013 7:23 am

Signal path:

Pickups> switch> buffer> OBEL switch (out and back to effects when switched)> Master volume> output jack

So if it works when using the OBEL and doesn't work when not using OBEL it would seem that something in the OBEL switch is wired wrong, grounding out (or not grounded), or not working. All the other componants are working and connected properly or you wouldn't get signal through with the OBEL on.
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Re: OBEL problem

Postby gr8fl4295 » Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:30 am

Thanks for the suggestion Waldo. Please excuse my ignorance, but I'm clueless on what the jumpers are and do.
Can you send me the wiring diagrams for the Tiger/OBEL config. so I can start from scratch and try to trace where its messed up?

As far as I can tell, all I did was unscrew everything, took it out, put it back in, and no worky!

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Re: OBEL problem

Postby gr8fl4295 » Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:50 am

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Re: OBEL problem

Postby TI4-1009 » Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:59 am

Waldo's excellent Tiger page has the wiring diagram:

http://www.wald-electronics.com/tiger.html

Jumpers are plain wire that connect two (or more) terminals. No resistor, no capacitor, no nothing except a wire that "jumpers" two posts. On the Tiger schematic you'll see the OBEL switch- it has four wires that all go somewhere (two to OBEL jack, one to vol pot, one from buffer), and the two remaining switch terminals are bridged by a black jumper.
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Re: OBEL problem

Postby gr8fl4295 » Tue Oct 08, 2013 2:39 pm

Still don't know what Waldo means by this...
"As far as your Obel switch dilemma, take a 1/4" jumper and jumper out the send and return on your junction box and eliminate any pedal in it. "

Here are a few more videos that demonstrate what the guitar is doing....(don't judge playing please, unless someone wants to give lessons!)

http://www.hatfielddesign.com/guitar1.MOV

http://www.hatfielddesign.com/guitar2.MOV

http://www.hatfielddesign.com/junctionbox.MOV
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Re: OBEL problem

Postby waldo041 » Tue Oct 08, 2013 2:53 pm

what does the guitar do when you plug it straight into the amp, nothing in the obel and no junction box?

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Re: OBEL problem

Postby gr8fl4295 » Tue Oct 08, 2013 4:04 pm

Guitar>AMP. No junction box. No FX.

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Re: OBEL problem

Postby TI4-1009 » Tue Oct 08, 2013 4:31 pm

gr8fl4295 wrote:Still don't know what Waldo means by this...
"As far as your Obel switch dilemma, take a 1/4" jumper and jumper out the send and return on your junction box and eliminate any pedal in it. "


My guess is he means 1/4" plugs- normal guitar cable plugs. I think he's suggesting using a short cable- like a pedal-to-pedal cable and plugging it into your junction box in place of a chain of pedals. Just in and out (or "out and back in").
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