76 tone pre August

76 tone pre August

Postby shakdwn1 » Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:17 pm

So Boston Music Hall 06/11/1976 has been my fav. GD show of all time for all time forever. In fact everything every show of that June run is just smokin! I love Jerry's phased ring tone unique to 76 before he switches from the TB 1000A to the TB500. There are many changes that go down from the beginning of 76 to the end. I am interested in May through July. I am in the midst of being a purest and recreating that tone. As I understand it the gear is as follows;

1) TB 1000A (got it) Does anyone know if there were any mods to the TB 1000A (in 76)? I have just ordered an Alembic Strato-Blaster as I was told it had that slight modification but i am not 100% and hesitant to install it into a vintage Bean. Anyone know anything? *I am aware of the single coils that were installed later in the 80's and not relevant to my question....

2) Mesa Boogie MK1 (got it) Need to know, if anyone knows what if any mods Jerry made to the Boggie? Was he just using it as a pre-amp into the MC2300 out to the JBL's or was he using the combo's speaker as well as the MC2300? * I am aware that he was using the MC3500 and the MC2100 for that 3-4 period while "Bud Man" was being mod'd at Alembic. Regardless of this fact I plan to go with an MC 2300. The MC3500 seems impossible to find and way to expensive. Does anyone know where i can have my MC2300 mod done?

3) Is the "ring" in Jerry's tone that I am hearing just the Octive Divider with the ringer on? I was told that he usually ran his with the ringer off...

Thus far my list is as follows;
TB1000A, Mesa Boogie MK1, MXR Distortion+, MXR Phase 100, MXR Analog Delay, Mu-Tron III, Mu-Tron Octave Divider

Still need;
Mcintosh -MC2300
and I have decided on a Hard Trucker cab with JBL E120's......

Please help and share what you know. I am operating from obsession at this point and 11k into a rig thus far feeding the obsession. With another 2k to go at least to finalize...
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Re: 76 tone pre August

Postby Grant » Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:38 am

1) initially the blaster was wired in without any other mods (i.e. it was always one), later one of the volume pots was removed and an on/off switch put in it's place like jerry had on Wolf in the previous years.

2) Just using the pre of the Boogie

3) I'd have to get back to you after a listen-back, but I generally found Jer's TB tones to have a certain ring/chime to them, which seems to be a result of aluminum neck.

See how you go with the Alembic blaster. Waldo's stratoblaster is great if you wanna give that a try too.

As for your cab, if you haven't already ordered from HT, consider some of the guys around here. I hear hogan's are great and I have owned one of Tracy's which I highly recommend. You'll save a tonne too.

http://www.soundscaperproductions.com/
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Re: 76 tone pre August

Postby shakdwn1 » Sat Mar 30, 2013 5:51 am

Thanks Grant! I'll check out the other cabs...
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Re: 76 tone pre August

Postby jeager » Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:44 pm

Would he have been using e120 in the 76? I thought he switched to those a bit later.

I concur that the aluminum neck adds a certain ring, don't know if its the ring you are hearing but you gotta me wanting to check out those shows... Had a roommate with a Travis bean guitar and bass... They both seemed to have that characteristic.

Oh and check out the sound scraper cabs. I have a 1 x 12 and a 2 x 12 and they are great and very reasonably priced.
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Re: 76 tone pre August

Postby Grant » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:02 pm

jeager wrote:Would he have been using e120 in the 76? I thought he switched to those a bit later.

I concur that the aluminum neck adds a certain ring, don't know if its the ring you are hearing but you gotta me wanting to check out those shows... Had a roommate with a Travis bean guitar and bass... They both seemed to have that characteristic.

Oh and check out the sound scraper cabs. I have a 1 x 12 and a 2 x 12 and they are great and very reasonably priced.


I don't think the E series were even in production then.

I think he was on to K120s by '76, could have still been on Ds, but I'm pretty sure the Ks were around by then.
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Re: 76 tone pre August

Postby shakdwn1 » Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:48 am

Ya, I will be putting the K120'S in for this configuration. Which leads to another question...

It seems odd to me that Jerry would just be using the Boogie as pre-amp. In some of the photo's it can be clearly seen that he has a JBL K120 in the Boogie. Is it possible to have the amp serve as a combo while also having it pre-amped into the MC2300?
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Re: 76 tone pre August

Postby mkaufman » Mon Apr 01, 2013 3:19 pm

I think the reissue has a line out which can be used in conjunction with the internal speaker. Maybe the original had this too?

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Re: 76 tone pre August

Postby Grant » Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:10 pm

shakdwn1 wrote:Ya, I will be putting the K120'S in for this configuration. Which leads to another question...

It seems odd to me that Jerry would just be using the Boogie as pre-amp. In some of the photo's it can be clearly seen that he has a JBL K120 in the Boogie. Is it possible to have the amp serve as a combo while also having it pre-amped into the MC2300?

The 2300 was an distinctive component of Jerry's tone, hence why it was a constant in an ever changing rig for so many years.

I don't see why you couldn't use boogie pre > MC2300 > K120 in the boogie cab.
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Re: 76 tone pre August

Postby zambiland » Mon Apr 01, 2013 9:44 pm

Hey, 6/11/76 was my first show! It was a good one.
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Re: 76 tone pre August

Postby redeyedjim » Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:46 am

Nothing to add to your tone quest, but I want to bump the thread to say that that 1976 late spring/early summer run has always impressed me, especially since it was their first since their '75 hiatus. Personally, 6-14-76 is near the top of list of favorite shows; the Cosmic Charlie and the Help>Slip>Frank that follows it are just unbelievably good and always make me smile.
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Re: 76 tone pre August

Postby mkaufman » Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:02 am

I love 6/19/76.

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Re: 76 tone pre August

Postby shakdwn1 » Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:41 pm

Thanks everyone for chiming in. Yes, that would make sense to pre amp out from the Boogie into the 2300 and then into the JBL in the Boogie...

* "The MC2300 was a constant"... In fact no it wasn't. During the May through July period of 76 Jerry was not using "Bud Man"the MC 2300 and was in fact using an MC3500 and an MC2100... This has actually lead to a deeper question for me. How much influence can a power amp have over your tone. Obviously enough to Justify the $1700 - $2200 we are all shelling out for MC2300's but once you get to the point of clean is there much difference? I went with the MC2300 because you just can't find the MC3500's for less than 8 thousand. The MC2100 seem to be readily available... At the end of the day my question remains... How much influence over the tone might I be hearing as a direct result of the change from the MC2300 to the MC3500 and MC2100.
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Re: 76 tone pre August

Postby Jerry1996x » Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:17 pm

The 2300 and 2100 have basically the same circuit iirc (someone correct me if im wrong). The only difference is the 200 watts power difference. Obviously, the 2100 is gonna be easier to push and get to clip without MSG volumes. But if youre going for crystal clear sparkly clean tones, than perhaps the 2300 is best for you :smile:
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Re: 76 tone pre August

Postby waldo041 » Tue Apr 02, 2013 7:11 pm

shakdwn1 wrote: "The MC2300 was a constant"... In fact no it wasn't.


actually it was, aside from very brief runs (and were talking only a few months each) with the mc3500, Crest and mc2500, Budman was the #1 amp used from 1974 until 1994(iirc). it was more of a constant then any guitar, or other piece of gear he ever used.

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Re: 76 tone pre August

Postby shakdwn1 » Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:09 pm

Thanks to Waldo for the vast knowledge base! Waldo, I was told to check out your blaster. The Alembic is already in the mail. Anything to note regarding the difference between the two?

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