Really, can anyone actually nail this tone?

Re: Really, can anyone actually nail this tone?

Postby mkaufman » Fri Mar 01, 2013 2:46 pm

Tennessee Jedi wrote:Excellent playing and tone !
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Yeah - you guys always amaze me with your talent. Very nice recording.

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Re: Really, can anyone actually nail this tone?

Postby The Stag » Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:43 pm

thanks! and yea we just recently figured out how to do a soundboard recording with our brand new rig we havent masterd it yet but hopefully more to come!
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Re: Really, can anyone actually nail this tone?

Postby barefootdave » Fri Mar 01, 2013 10:06 pm

Yep, nice job as usual Dan Jr. Both the Bobby and Jerry parts are very well played with great tone. The vocals are nice too, is that you singing?
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Re: Really, can anyone actually nail this tone?

Postby mijknahs » Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:04 pm

The Stag wrote:here is my shot at the 80s tone.


Hey Stag - I know you've probably already said before but what preamp and power amp are you using? Mmmkay?
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Re: Really, can anyone actually nail this tone?

Postby The Stag » Sat Mar 02, 2013 8:21 am

Nope that would be phillesh101 (Dave) singing and playing the bass. And I'm using a fender twin with a McIntosh 2100 and one jble120 here also with my tiger replica. Maybe next show I'll use my " rosebud" and we can here the difference you were earlier discussing about each guitars tone.peace Mmmkay
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Re: Really, can anyone actually nail this tone?

Postby mijknahs » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:46 am

The Stag wrote: And I'm using a fender twin with a McIntosh 2100 and one jble120 here also with my tiger replica. Maybe next show I'll use my " rosebud" and we can here the difference you were earlier discussing about each guitars tone.peace Mmmkay


Thanks Dan Jr.!
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Re: Really, can anyone actually nail this tone?

Postby lunasparks » Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:57 pm

mijknahs wrote:Second, the exact placement of the pickup makes a big difference. I used to have my coil cuto switch wired so I could change which coil was the active single coil. It made a big difference to my ears. Also, when I had a modded PRS EG, the middle position was too far forward so I flipped the pickup over so the active coil was closer to the bridge. Placement make a difference and the easiest way to see this is to flip the pickup around (or have it wired so you can go back and forth).


To satisfy my curiosity, I flipped the middle pickup on my Wolf. 1st part of clip below is with typical North coil active. Second is with pickup flipped for South coil active. Subtle difference but in early innings I prefer South coil active:

https://soundcloud.com/lunasparks/2013-03-03-pickup-test-deal

Thoughts?


Edit: some noodling around (mistakes and all) with middle, south coil:
https://soundcloud.com/lunasparks/2013-03-03-south-pickup
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Re: Really, can anyone actually nail this tone?

Postby mijknahs » Sun Mar 03, 2013 7:08 pm

Hard to say which one is better. You'd know better being there in person. To me it sounds more like low volume bedroom tone which is hard to get that "growl".
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Re: Really, can anyone actually nail this tone?

Postby lunasparks » Mon Mar 04, 2013 4:01 am

mijknahs wrote:Hard to say which one is better. You'd know better being there in person. To me it sounds more like low volume bedroom tone which is hard to get that "growl".


Definitely not done at bedroom volume. SMS at 10:30, Mc2105 at 11:00, guitar volume wide open.

It was Loud in the room...
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Re: Really, can anyone actually nail this tone?

Postby TRG » Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:42 am

lunasparks wrote:
mijknahs wrote:Second, the exact placement of the pickup makes a big difference. I used to have my coil cuto switch wired so I could change which coil was the active single coil. It made a big difference to my ears. Also, when I had a modded PRS EG, the middle position was too far forward so I flipped the pickup over so the active coil was closer to the bridge. Placement make a difference and the easiest way to see this is to flip the pickup around (or have it wired so you can go back and forth).


To satisfy my curiosity, I flipped the middle pickup on my Wolf. 1st part of clip below is with typical North coil active. Second is with pickup flipped for South coil active. Subtle difference but in early innings I prefer South coil active:

https://soundcloud.com/lunasparks/2013-03-03-pickup-test-deal

Thoughts?




Edit: some noodling around (mistakes and all) with middle, south coil:
https://soundcloud.com/lunasparks/2013-03-03-south-pickup


That's an interesting concept, and was curious to hear what the difference would be, so thanks for posting the samples. To me, they sound really close...maybe a little more "quack" with the south coil.

Would be cool to hear that a/b test with a note bending lead. Not saying that you need to do that, just curious if the differences would be less subtle or not in more of a real playing application. Regardless that guitar sounds great!
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Re: Really, can anyone actually nail this tone?

Postby LAfadeaway » Mon Mar 04, 2013 10:32 am

To satisfy my curiosity, I flipped the middle pickup on my Wolf. 1st part of clip below is with typical North coil active. Second is with pickup flipped for South coil active. Subtle difference but in early innings I prefer South coil active:

https://soundcloud.com/lunasparks/2013-03-03-pickup-test-deal

Thoughts?


To my ears and personal taste the south coil sounds much better, with more bite and Jerry attack on top of the tone. One man's opinion and all.....
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Re: Really, can anyone actually nail this tone?

Postby lunasparks » Mon Mar 04, 2013 7:25 pm

TRG wrote:That's an interesting concept, and was curious to hear what the difference would be, so thanks for posting the samples. To me, they sound really close...maybe a little more "quack" with the south coil.

Would be cool to hear that a/b test with a note bending lead. Not saying that you need to do that, just curious if the differences would be less subtle or not in more of a real playing application. Regardless that guitar sounds great!


TRG - link below is to a few additional clips. First pass is north coil active, second is the south coil. Not exactly lead tone, but this is what I recorded before and after the switch. Note: playing gets even sloppier in the south coil clips (a few cold ones during the pickup flip with my buddy probably wasn't the best idea!). Anyway, this will give a little more flavor for the impact of the switch. As before, it's subtle, but....

https://soundcloud.com/lunasparks/2013-03-03-pickup-test-all
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Re: Really, can anyone actually nail this tone?

Postby TRG » Tue Mar 05, 2013 5:48 am

lunasparks wrote:
TRG wrote:That's an interesting concept, and was curious to hear what the difference would be, so thanks for posting the samples. To me, they sound really close...maybe a little more "quack" with the south coil.

Would be cool to hear that a/b test with a note bending lead. Not saying that you need to do that, just curious if the differences would be less subtle or not in more of a real playing application. Regardless that guitar sounds great!


TRG - link below is to a few additional clips. First pass is north coil active, second is the south coil. Not exactly lead tone, but this is what I recorded before and after the switch. Note: playing gets even sloppier in the south coil clips (a few cold ones during the pickup flip with my buddy probably wasn't the best idea!). Anyway, this will give a little more flavor for the impact of the switch. As before, it's subtle, but....

https://soundcloud.com/lunasparks/2013-03-03-pickup-test-all


Indeed, it is subtle...but I think if I had to choose one or the other I would choose south coil active! This ties into the location of the pickups relative to the nut and now I'm wondering how far away from the nut the center of that middle pick up is? In the below thread, Waldo had provided some measurements from nut to center of each pick up on Tiger. I know these are two completely different guitars, but still would be interesting to see how the middle pickup placement compares.

viewtopic.php?f=419&t=11692&hilit=moon&start=30#p111714

from the front of the nut (fretboard side).
middle of neck = 20 1/2"
middle of middle = 22 1/4"
middle of bridge = 24 1/16"

edit: and I guess what my point is, is that maybe the middle pickup is not in the ideal position on some guitars and that is why the distance from the nut to the middle of the middle pickup could help determine which coil you want to be active to get "that sound".
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Re: Really, can anyone actually nail this tone?

Postby lunasparks » Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:02 pm

TRG wrote:
viewtopic.php?f=419&t=11692&hilit=moon&start=30#p111714

from the front of the nut (fretboard side).
middle of neck = 20 1/2"
middle of middle = 22 1/4"
middle of bridge = 24 1/16"

edit: and I guess what my point is, is that maybe the middle pickup is not in the ideal position on some guitars and that is why the distance from the nut to the middle of the middle pickup could help determine which coil you want to be active to get "that sound".


Okay, I'm a little nutty...and a little wrong in my prior post. The distance on my Wolf from nut (fretboard side) to middle of the middle pup is 22 2/16" vs. Waldo's Tiger indication above at 22 4/16" (let's keep it in 16ths) -- I'm only closer to neck by 2/16". It's about 5/16 from middle of Super 2 to pole pieces. So figure North coil active for Jerry at 21 15/16" vs. South coil for me at 22 7/16". So now I'm setup on middle pup 1/2 inch (oops, 8/16") further toward the bridge than Waldo's Tiger -- greater deviation...but in the correct southerly direction. Consolation prize?

Crazy theory more or less busted. Par.

So, really, can anyone actually nail this tone? :D :D :smile:
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Re: Really, can anyone actually nail this tone?

Postby mijknahs » Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:33 pm

Pretty sure Jerry's pickups had the south coil active when split.
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