The Bridge

The Bridge

Postby pappypgh » Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:30 am

Hey guys, long time! Hope my ol' compadres are doing well. :-)

So, again, theCAUSE is having a dispute on a chord. This time Black Peter - the bridge, in particular. This site, as well as JDARKS has this portion listed with a D MAJOR (this is the chord in question)...

D...............G.................C........C/B.....Am
Sun coming up and then the sun it going down

Now, I've listened (now, very recently due to this discussion) to many versions - including "Dozin' At The Knick" which is clean as a whistle and everyone in the band is together, the version from "What A Long Strange Trip It's Been" which is an incredibly clear acoustic live version - where that first D is actually a Dm....played by the whole band, not just one. IMO, it's a Dm which compliments the F that kicks off the next line, AND if you listent to Jerry's walk-down riff from the previous chord (which is an Em), his notes are E-F-E-D. To land on a D major sounds absolutely horrible after that riff!!

So, I say it's this:

Dm..............G.................C........C/B.....Am
Sun coming up and then the sun it going down


What say you people?!
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Re: The Bridge

Postby Tennessee Jedi » Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:36 am

Hey Man !
We do -
Dm G C Em Am

Def sounds minor
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Re: The Bridge

Postby pappypgh » Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:51 am

Thanks Jedi!

One for me.

I see you play the full Em before the Am, too - I typically do that ol' C walk down C > C/B > Am

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Re: The Bridge

Postby pappypgh » Thu Oct 18, 2012 1:06 pm

SETTLED by John Kadlecik!

from John K


D over "sun coming..." is def Dm... complicated somewhat by the melody/Jerry vocal part being on an E on "sun"...

"going down" btw is not C/B but either Em7/B or Bmsus4


So you were pretty much right as well, Jedi! :lol:
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Re: The Bridge

Postby Tennessee Jedi » Thu Oct 18, 2012 1:38 pm

pappypgh wrote:SETTLED by John Kadlecik!

from John K


D over "sun coming..." is def Dm... complicated somewhat by the melody/Jerry vocal part being on an E on "sun"...

"going down" btw is not C/B but either Em7/B or Bmsus4


So you were pretty much right as well, Jedi! :lol:

Me thinks I am prob playing something similar to you - I do a single note-y thing over the C / Em / Am- I just call it Em ...
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Re: The Bridge

Postby pappypgh » Fri Oct 19, 2012 7:49 am

Also got a nice email from JDarks telling me, "HEY! You're right" and he's updating his site. :cool:
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Re: The Bridge

Postby strumminsix » Fri Oct 19, 2012 7:56 am

Thanks, Pappy! Pinned the topic!
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Re: The Bridge

Postby Rusty the Scoob » Fri Oct 19, 2012 8:16 am

pappypgh wrote:SETTLED by John Kadlecik!

from John K


D over "sun coming..." is def Dm... complicated somewhat by the melody/Jerry vocal part being on an E on "sun"...

"going down" btw is not C/B but either Em7/B or Bmsus4


So you were pretty much right as well, Jedi! :lol:


What's wrong with singing an E note over a Dm? You could call it either a 9th or a Sus note or both, depending on where it resolves.
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Re: The Bridge

Postby rugger » Fri Oct 19, 2012 8:35 am

Rusty the Scoob wrote:
pappypgh wrote:SETTLED by John Kadlecik!

from John K


D over "sun coming..." is def Dm... complicated somewhat by the melody/Jerry vocal part being on an E on "sun"...

"going down" btw is not C/B but either Em7/B or Bmsus4


So you were pretty much right as well, Jedi! :lol:


What's wrong with singing an E note over a Dm? You could call it either a 9th or a Sus note or both, depending on where it resolves.


Well, I don't think he said anything is "wrong," just that it complicates it. In a different context singing a 2 (or a 9) can be tricky, maybe not as much in this case because we all know the melody so well.

I need to add that this bridge is a great piece of songwriting, imo.

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Re: The Bridge

Postby pappypgh » Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:39 pm

Yeah, certainly nothing wrong with it! Just makes it harder to decipher for some (like Tourpro & Dave... :lol: )...just kidding. Anyway, I completely agree - this bridge is MIGHTY fine songwriting....
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