What does Larry Carlton's sound have in common with Jerry's?

What does Larry Carlton's sound have in common with Jerry's?

Postby oldsmojo » Fri Oct 12, 2012 12:52 am

...Anyone?? I thought it might be cool to see what you guys came up with here.Theres no right answer of course so what do you think is similar in their tone, band, approach etc.?? Maybe narrow it down to the top 3 things where you find a connection of sorts??

Heres Larry Carlton, Greg Mathieson - Keys, John Peña - Bass, Jeff Porcaro - drums, Alex Acuña - Perc 1986.


http://tinyurl.com/9lbqh4t
oldsmojo
Donna
Donna
 
Posts: 58
Joined: Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:22 pm

Re: What does Larry Carlton's sound have in common with Jerr

Postby tcsned » Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:38 am

Nice clip! I took a freshman English class with Jeff Porcaro's nephew (also a drummer).
1. Tone similarities - bright Fender-y tone, sometimes right at the edge of feedback (I thought I saw a Bag End cabinet in his rig too
2. Some of the tension building dissonance was similar
3. Restraint - neither of them are in a hurry to play a buhzillion notes.

Bonus - both kick-ass guitarists!
User avatar
tcsned
Senior Member
 
Posts: 2682
Joined: Sat Mar 21, 2009 2:50 pm
Location: Blacksburg, VA

Re: What does Larry Carlton's sound have in common with Jerr

Postby tcsned » Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:38 am

Nice clip! I took a freshman English class with Jeff Porcaro's nephew (also a drummer).
1. Tone similarities - bright Fender-y tone, sometimes right at the edge of feedback (I thought I saw a Bag End cabinet in his rig too
2. Some of the tension building dissonance was similar
3. Restraint - neither of them are in a hurry to play a buhzillion notes.

Bonus - both kick-ass guitarists!
User avatar
tcsned
Senior Member
 
Posts: 2682
Joined: Sat Mar 21, 2009 2:50 pm
Location: Blacksburg, VA

Re: What does Larry Carlton's sound have in common with Jerr

Postby cripeowner » Fri Oct 12, 2012 4:32 am

They both liked hard tailed strats with stickers on it. Love LC my all time favorite.
cripeowner
Pigpen
Pigpen
 
Posts: 137
Joined: Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:19 pm

Re: What does Larry Carlton's sound have in common with Jerr

Postby Pete B. » Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:11 am

Give Garcia:Compliments a spin.
Larry is on that one.
I'm pretty sure Larry Carlton is playing the intro/rhythm-lick on "He Ain't Give You None", the lick that plays throughout the tune (kind of a chord slide up, followed by a chord hammer-on/off):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6AtgR_hGQA
Last edited by Pete B. on Fri Oct 12, 2012 4:52 pm, edited 3 times in total.
User avatar
Pete B.
Senior Member
 
Posts: 1783
Joined: Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:59 am
Location: Portland, Oregon

Re: What does Larry Carlton's sound have in common with Jerr

Postby jester536 » Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:23 am

I just never knew that was Larry Carlton...always assumed it was Garcia. I love the sound of that intro and have never been quite sure of what is being played.
If the thunder don't getcha then the lightning will!
http://www.reverbnation.com/unchartedwaters
User avatar
jester536
Bear
Bear
 
Posts: 399
Joined: Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:05 pm
Location: Helena, Montana

Re: What does Larry Carlton's sound have in common with Jerr

Postby cripeowner » Fri Oct 12, 2012 1:03 pm

I never knew that LC played on Garcia album. Now that I listen to it I hear the influence. Look at this line up. This album must of cost a ton of dough!
Tracks:
01. Let It Rock (Chuck Berry) - 3:11
02. When The Hunter Gets Captured By The Game (William Robinson Jr.) - 2:46
03. That's What Love Will Make You Do (Henderson Thigpen, James Banks, Eddy Marion) - 3:48
04. Russian Lullaby (Irving Berlin) - 3:05
05. Turn On The Bright Lights (Albert Washington) - 5:34
06. He Ain't Give You None (Van Morrison) - 3:24
07. What Goes Around (Mac Rebbenack) - 3:07
08. Let's Spend The Night Together (Mick Jagger, Keith Richards) - 3:40
09. Mississippi Moon (Peter Rowan) - 3:05
10. Midnight Town (John Kahn, Robert Hunter) - 3:12
Bonuses (outtakes):
11. That's A Touch I Like (Jesse Winchester) - 3:37
12. (I'm A) Road Runner (Eddie Holland, Lamont Dozier, Brian Holland) - 4:07
13. It's Too Late (Chuck Willis) - 4:24
14. I'll Forget You - 3:17
15. Tragedy (Fred Burch, Gerald Nelson) - 3:49
16. Think (Jimmy McCracklin, Don Robey) - 4:09
17. I Know It's A Sin (Jimmy Reed, Mary Lee Reed) - 2:38
18. Lonesome Town (Thomas Baker Knight) - 6:16
19. Cardiac Arrest (studio jam) (Jerry Garcia) - 1:36
20. Back Home In Indiana (James Hanley, Ballard McDonald) - 7:07

Personnel:
- Jerry Garcia - guitar, classical guitar, vocals
- John Kahn - bass (01-20), horn arrangement (09), string arrangement (09), producer
- Arthur Adams - guitar (01,05,08,16,18)
- Michael Omartian - piano (01,02,05,07-19), tack piano (01), Fender rhodes (03)
- Ron Tutt - drums (01-03,05,07-20)
- Bobbye Hall - percussion (01-03,07,08)
- Larry Carlton - guitar (02,03,06,10)
- Merl Saunders - organ (02,03,05-08,10-19), clavinet (16)
- Melvin Moore - trumpet (03,05)
- Gene Connors - trombone (03,05), horn arrangement (03,05)
- Jackie Kelso - bariton saxophone (03,05), tenor saxophone (05)
- Amos Garrett - trombone (04,07)
- Joel Tepp - clarinet (04)
- Richard Greene - violin (04,08)
- Merry Clayton - backing vocals (06,10)
- Clydie King - backing vocals (06,10)
- Patty - backing vocals (06,10)
- Geoff Muldaur - clarinet (07)
- Maria Muldaur - backing vocals (08)
- Ben Benay - rhythm guitar (09)
- John Rotella - e-flat clarinet (09)
- Willie Green - b-flat clarinet (09)
- Gary Ray - b-flat clarinet (09)
- Julian Sheer - bass clarinet (09)
- Sid Page - violin (09,10)
- Carl Pedersen - violin (09,10)
- Emily van Valkenburg - violin (09,10)
- Miriam Dye - viola (09,10)
- Nancy Ellis - viola (09,10)
- Terry Adams - cello (09,10)
- Judiyaba - cello (09,10)
- Ray Siegal - stand-up bass (09,10)
- Arnie Egilsson - bass (09,10)
- Sid Sharp - contractor (09,10)
- David Nichtern - guitar (20)
- David Grisman - mandolin (20)
- Vassar Clements - violin (20)
cripeowner
Pigpen
Pigpen
 
Posts: 137
Joined: Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:19 pm

Re: What does Larry Carlton's sound have in common with Jerr

Postby Mr.Burns » Sat Oct 13, 2012 11:35 am

There is no way a major label would have ever allowed an album like this to be made. The licensing fees alone would have been astronomical. Let alone paying all those amazing musicians. I would be astounded to find out that album broke even, but more likely it lost a lot of money.
Image
User avatar
Mr.Burns
Phil
Phil
 
Posts: 301
Joined: Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:01 pm
Location: Far out, man.

Re: What does Larry Carlton's sound have in common with Jerr

Postby oldsmojo » Tue Oct 16, 2012 12:01 am

Thats awesome...I love the replies here and yes very true anout all of them. I also had no idea Larry played on that album thats sick!...its amazing what details you guys come up with sometimes. I was gonna say ..strat w/ gibson bridge and 24 fret necks for both in certain periods. I love Larry on a strat...The Dumble just sizzle and open up the single coil nicely and hurt a bit less than hit with the 335. They both use eq on the OD for lead tones to get that sizzle and focus just right. The both definitely utilize...subtlety , tension and release better than anyone i can think of w the guitar. They both go from real mellow tunes to real rockin..but thats pretty coommon. I just love the way they did it and two very recognizable tones both based on the BF Fender twin reverb. And yep thats probably a Bag End cab loaded w EV 12L's. Big magnet, large voice coil speaker with lots of power.
oldsmojo
Donna
Donna
 
Posts: 58
Joined: Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:22 pm


Return to Jerry Tone

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot], lunasparks and 1 guest