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Re: The Un"Official" Ron/Keith/Brent/Bruce/Vince Tone Forum

Postby Rusty the Scoob » Fri Aug 17, 2012 10:56 am

Counterstriker wrote:I don't want to bash Vince or anything (RIP) because I'm sure he was a great guy, but what was jerry thinking when they picked him? I heard an estimated prophet from 1991 and Jerry is going in the end solo and I hear vince come in with this horrible sounding trumpet patch COMPLETELY over powering Jerry.. I wonder what Rob Barraco (sp?) was doing at the time, he would have been great match for them.

My friend from Retro Linear is working on Robs Fender Rhodes which was actually Brent's that he recorded and gigged live with.. I'll try to get some pictures if he lets me!


Vince actually didn't get to pick his MIDI patches, I think... I believe it was Bob Bralove (I think) who was literally sitting behind Vince on stage, choosing his patches for him, with little input from Vince. Now why they thought this system was a good idea is beyond me. I think somebody in the organization thought MIDI was the future and by god they were going to use it no matter how awful it sounded.
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Re: The Un"Official" Ron/Keith/Brent/Bruce/Vince Tone Forum

Postby Counterstriker » Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:22 pm

That's a weird system they had going on there :D now that i know that, i wonder if they allowed him to pick his own patches, or Jerry let him play b-3 (I recall reading he didn't want a B-3 after brent) if it would have been better, I'm sure it did. I've heard many recordings where jerry is just getting down on a solo and all the sudden I hear this cheesy midi keyboard sound coming tearing through completely ruining the sound of the jam.. He didn't understand the whole jamming idea I don't feel like :/ But I'm done talking smack on him because it might not even be his fault, RIP Vince :smile:
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Re: The Un"Official" Ron/Keith/Brent/Bruce/Vince Tone Forum

Postby Yankee Tim » Sat Aug 18, 2012 4:51 am

Ugh, so... how about those Yanks? :D

Thanks for those pics, Tenn Jedi. The arial shot shows drawbar setting which is one of the things I hoped this thread would produce. Of course, no idea what he's playing but, if you duplicate the positions, it would be right for some song or another. :lol:

Working on the new cover today. Will post pics when complete. Looking for some red and blue LED strips I can wire into the on light to illumate the inside of the console. Can find 12V stuff everywhere. 120V, not so much.

Contempating a chop and moving all stuff upstairs and making the main amp remote. Anyone took this on? On an interesing note, Keith Emerson played a L100 series Hammond, which was modded. Gleening info from web on that.
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Re: The Un"Official" Ron/Keith/Brent/Bruce/Vince Tone Forum

Postby Mr.Burns » Sat Aug 18, 2012 7:04 am

Counterstriker wrote:I don't want to bash Vince or anything (RIP) because I'm sure he was a great guy, but what was jerry thinking when they picked him? I heard an estimated prophet from 1991 and Jerry is going in the end solo and I hear vince come in with this horrible sounding trumpet patch COMPLETELY over powering Jerry.. I wonder what Rob Barraco (sp?) was doing at the time, he would have been great match for them.

My friend from Retro Linear is working on Robs Fender Rhodes which was actually Brent's that he recorded and gigged live with.. I'll try to get some pictures if he lets me!


Rob Barraco was busy with The Cosby Show... :D
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Re: The Un"Official" Ron/Keith/Brent/Bruce/Vince Tone Forum

Postby tigger » Sat Aug 18, 2012 10:18 am

Counterstriker wrote:That's a weird system they had going on there :D now that i know that, i wonder if they allowed him to pick his own patches, or Jerry let him play b-3 (I recall reading he didn't want a B-3 after brent) if it would have been better, I'm sure it did. I've heard many recordings where jerry is just getting down on a solo and all the sudden I hear this cheesy midi keyboard sound coming tearing through completely ruining the sound of the jam.. He didn't understand the whole jamming idea I don't feel like :/ But I'm done talking smack on him because it might not even be his fault, RIP Vince :smile:



Can't find the source but I seem to recall reading that:
-The road crew hated dealing with the B-3, and they said no more after Brent died
-Bob Bralove said "here are the patches you're going to use" and that was all Vince had to work with
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Re: The Un"Official" Ron/Keith/Brent/Bruce/Vince Tone Forum

Postby Stone » Sun Aug 19, 2012 9:39 am

tigger wrote:
Counterstriker wrote:That's a weird system they had going on there :D now that i know that, i wonder if they allowed him to pick his own patches, or Jerry let him play b-3 (I recall reading he didn't want a B-3 after brent) if it would have been better, I'm sure it did. I've heard many recordings where jerry is just getting down on a solo and all the sudden I hear this cheesy midi keyboard sound coming tearing through completely ruining the sound of the jam.. He didn't understand the whole jamming idea I don't feel like :/ But I'm done talking smack on him because it might not even be his fault, RIP Vince :smile:



Can't find the source but I seem to recall reading that:
-The road crew hated dealing with the B-3, and they said no more after Brent died
-Bob Bralove said "here are the patches you're going to use" and that was all Vince had to work with



This is in line with what Vince said to me in 02'

I feel that if the boys were still together we would be talking about how sick vince is and that those first 10 years were rough...but all we got for the first 5 years of roughness. I also feel that in retospect Vince was set up to fail at the time to some degree. Tough job

I have wondered was Brents B3 also played by Pig ?

And I think Jerry would be very happy to hear Jeff and John playing in Furthur. :wink:
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Re: The Un"Official" Ron/Keith/Brent/Bruce/Vince Tone Forum

Postby zambiland » Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:42 pm

Stone wrote:
tigger wrote:
Counterstriker wrote:That's a weird system they had going on there :D now that i know that, i wonder if they allowed him to pick his own patches, or Jerry let him play b-3 (I recall reading he didn't want a B-3 after brent) if it would have been better, I'm sure it did. I've heard many recordings where jerry is just getting down on a solo and all the sudden I hear this cheesy midi keyboard sound coming tearing through completely ruining the sound of the jam.. He didn't understand the whole jamming idea I don't feel like :/ But I'm done talking smack on him because it might not even be his fault, RIP Vince :smile:



Can't find the source but I seem to recall reading that:
-The road crew hated dealing with the B-3, and they said no more after Brent died
-Bob Bralove said "here are the patches you're going to use" and that was all Vince had to work with



This is in line with what Vince said to me in 02'

I feel that if the boys were still together we would be talking about how sick vince is and that those first 10 years were rough...but all we got for the first 5 years of roughness. I also feel that in retospect Vince was set up to fail at the time to some degree. Tough job

I have wondered was Brents B3 also played by Pig ?

And I think Jerry would be very happy to hear Jeff and John playing in Furthur. :wink:


I would probably agree. I felt like the boys kind of lamed out when Brent died. They just chose Vince by default because he could sing the harmony parts. My preference would have been to hear a couple tours with no keys. It would have forced Bob, Phil and Jerry to really listen again.
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Re: The Un"Official" Ron/Keith/Brent/Bruce/Vince Tone Forum

Postby TRG » Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:11 am

Rusty the Scoob wrote:Wow, sure enough! I'm surprised they played a high-school hockey rink that late in their careers, but I guess it was a last-minute booking to fill a hole in the schedule. Must have been awesome to be there!


I was thinking the same thing....that it couldn't have been Billerica, MA. Good stuff! Maybe that was their High School tour era...as I think they played a High School up in Alaska around that time :lol:
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Re: The Un"Official" Ron/Keith/Brent/Bruce/Vince Tone Forum

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Re: The Un"Official" Ron/Keith/Brent/Bruce/Vince Tone Forum

Postby zambiland » Sun Sep 02, 2012 10:29 pm

TRG wrote:
Rusty the Scoob wrote:Wow, sure enough! I'm surprised they played a high-school hockey rink that late in their careers, but I guess it was a last-minute booking to fill a hole in the schedule. Must have been awesome to be there!


I was thinking the same thing....that it couldn't have been Billerica, MA. Good stuff! Maybe that was their High School tour era...as I think they played a High School up in Alaska around that time :lol:


I think calling it a hockey rink is generous. It was more like a Quonset hut with some ice in it. The stage was probably not much more than 3' high. 7 months before that I saw them at the Boston Music Hall, so it didn't seem all that out of the ordinary to see them in smaller venues.
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Re: The Un"Official" Ron/Keith/Brent/Bruce/Vince Tone Forum

Postby Yankee Tim » Mon Sep 17, 2012 6:09 pm

Hey now. I just scored a 1955 M3 this weekend. Hope our keyboardist will be happy. :smile:

Plays well. The bass pedals were not in tune. Found a broken wire on the tone wheel assembly and soldered it back on, and all was good again.

My question is, for Hammond players here, there is a long shiny metal tube mounted under the wood panel that tone wheel generator is mounted above (on springs). The tube is held on by metal clips. The metal tube is wired to nothing. It has 2 red plastic caps on each end. It has a 2-prong power cord, separate from the main power cord. Was told to plug both in when you use it. If I don't plug it in, it still plays normally. But, when I plug it it it gets really hot to the touch. Anyone know what this is, and if this is normal? Seems odd to have a curling iron in an organ.

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Re: The Un"Official" Ron/Keith/Brent/Bruce/Vince Tone Forum

Postby TI4-1009 » Mon Sep 17, 2012 6:51 pm

Yankee Tim wrote:Seems odd to have a curling iron in an organ.


Not goin' there..... :shock:
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Re: The Un"Official" Ron/Keith/Brent/Bruce/Vince Tone Forum

Postby Yankee Tim » Mon Sep 17, 2012 8:20 pm

TI4-1009 wrote:
Yankee Tim wrote:Seems odd to have a curling iron in an organ.


Not goin' there..... :shock:


Dunno how else to describe it. LoL. There isn't one on my L143, and I've found zilch looking at the manual or on line. Not a clue on my part. Weird that the organ plays with it without it being plugged in.
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Re: The Un"Official" Ron/Keith/Brent/Bruce/Vince Tone Forum

Postby Rusty the Scoob » Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:35 am

Shot in the dark here: was this organ originally from a skating rink or some other cold environment? Maybe the heating element was needed to keep the tonewheels moving in cold temps?
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Re: The Un"Official" Ron/Keith/Brent/Bruce/Vince Tone Forum

Postby Yankee Tim » Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:17 am

Rusty the Scoob wrote:Shot in the dark here: was this organ originally from a skating rink or some other cold environment? Maybe the heating element was needed to keep the tonewheels moving in cold temps?


Dude, and here I was thinking only I had such a weird idea. A heater for the organ. Really, I haven't a clue. Nothing in the manual about it. Nothing on any forum I'm lurking on. May have to actually join one and ask.

Weird, huh? I'll post a pic and link it here.

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