E120s vs K120s

Re: E120s vs K120s

Postby JonnyBoy » Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:05 am

I have to agree with the E series use, I have had them all, and I like the K-110 2x10 cab for home use, and I Prefer the E-120 to be in a loud band. They cut better and are robust and clean. taking ability to sound like Jerry from the equation, I like the dynamics of the E120 it can go from warm to HARSH 0-60 in 2 seconds... In a loud band that can be handy like Vic said.
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Re: E120s vs K120s

Postby deadagainband76 » Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:30 am

mijknahs wrote:
deadagainband76 wrote:The Ultimate Jerry tone for me is early 80s. Mcintosh clipping? Or the JBLs clipping? Or both? Dont they both have the 300 watt rating, so couldnt they both be pushed to the same limit at the same time.. Or something like that?


For early 80's, do you like the '79-'81 tone or more of the '82-'85 tone? To me, '82 was some of the best tone and was actually cleaner than '83. I wonder what the MC2500 had to do with it?

I think 82 and on. Not to say the 79-81 didnt have great tones also but something about 82 is different. As soon as the tiger makes its appearance though there is a change.
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Re: E120s vs K120s

Postby deadagainband76 » Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:38 am

4 12s in a vertical stack will act as my own monitor as well if i stand in the right spot. Ill probly have the 2 Ks on top and the Es on bottom. Itll spread the sound better too , even in a medium size venue.
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Re: E120s vs K120s

Postby mijknahs » Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:46 am

Also to note, Jerry used the K120s with basically the same setup and same volume in the late 70's. Still sounded about the same(maybe more clean?). Certainly not more distorted. Seemed the most crunchy when using the E120s and the MC2500 (in '83).
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Re: E120s vs K120s

Postby strumminsix » Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:24 pm

deadagainband76 wrote:Im aslo getting the extra 2x12 cab because of the lack of trust in soundmen as well. It seems that if you are a bit louder than they like they turn me out the house all together. Or they have issues with monitor volumes. 4 12s in a vertical stack will act as my own monitor as well if i stand in the right spot. Ill probly have the 2 Ks on top and the Es on bottom. Itll spread the sound better too , even in a medium size venue.

I'd re-think that if I were you. If you have an amp on stage their job is "sound reinforcement". If you are so loud on stage that you don't need to be put thru the mains, they will drop your fader and adjust the rest of the bands' volume around you. This results in a disservice to the folks who come and see your show as they will only hear you directly in front of the stage not on the sides. But there is nothing that a soundman can do with a guitarist who insists on bringing a 4x12 with 300W of power and using it all.

As I went from 100 watts > 80 watts > 40 watts > 20 watts I had folks tell me how much more clearly they heard me time and time again as I was going thru the mains more.

I'm not trying to tell you what to do but to give you insight from behind the soundboard.
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Re: E120s vs K120s

Postby deadagainband76 » Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:10 pm

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deadagainband76 wrote:Im aslo getting the extra 2x12 cab because of the lack of trust in soundmen as well. It seems that if you are a bit louder than they like they turn me out the house all together. Or they have issues with monitor volumes. 4 12s in a vertical stack will act as my own monitor as well if i stand in the right spot. Ill probly have the 2 Ks on top and the Es on bottom. Itll spread the sound better too , even in a medium size venue.

I'd re-think that if I were you. If you have an amp on stage their job is "sound reinforcement". If you are so loud on stage that you don't need to be put thru the mains, they will drop your fader and adjust the rest of the bands' volume around you. This results in a disservice to the folks who come and see your show as they will only hear you directly in front of the stage not on the sides. But there is nothing that a soundman can do with a guitarist who insists on bringing a 4x12 with 300W of power and using it all.

As I went from 100 watts > 80 watts > 40 watts > 20 watts I had folks tell me how much more clearly they heard me time and time again as I was going thru the mains more.

I'm not trying to tell you what to do but to give you insight from behind the soundboard.

I agree totally. Id rather have my guitar spread out in the room than have it overly loud and I would never use 300 watts of power. But I did feel that the getting that second cab closer to ear level would let me play quieter and still allow me to hear it. Especially with two drummers slammin a few feet away. I let the band dictate my volume and then I sit right on top of the bands overall volume. But when I need to go to 11.. Its nice to have the head room.
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Re: E120s vs K120s

Postby mijknahs » Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:45 pm

Just tilt the one cab so it aims at your chest or back. You don't need 2 x 2x12 cabs to hear yourself.
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Re: E120s vs K120s

Postby Jerry1996x » Thu Sep 08, 2011 1:09 pm

Im in a small, well small in fame haha, band. We dont have a PA to mic all our amps and such, would i wanna use Es to cut through everyone and a very very loud drummer?
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Re: E120s vs K120s

Postby mijknahs » Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:26 pm

Better to just have the drummer play quiter...
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Re: E120s vs K120s

Postby deadagainband76 » Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:34 pm

Good luck getting the drummer to quiet down but you should still try. The fact is that everyone has a different opinion of what loud is. Try one K120 and one E120. What kind of cab do you have? If its a 2x12 I would put the K on top E on bottom and try it out. Just gotta try different things until you get what you want. I have two drummers and every room they sound different just like my gear. Back to the question, Es do cut through the mix quite well.
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Re: E120s vs K120s

Postby Jerry1996x » Fri Sep 09, 2011 5:03 pm

Ya. this drummer is pretty stubborn when it comes to quieting down, haha. Im hopefully getting a HD JG-1. while i would love to get 1 of each, i dont think i will be able to afford a K and an E, especially if i would be planning to buy another one of the one i liked more, and ESPECIALLY if I do get a HD cab hahaha. Im leaning towards the Es just cause the wattage, and ive heard more of them, and liked it. T
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Re: E120s vs K120s

Postby deadagainband76 » Sat Sep 10, 2011 3:42 am

I think the Ks are rated for 150 watts. Thats pretty loud, and should be way louder than drums ,so wattage shouldnt really be an issue. However like you said maybe cuttin through the mix is what ya need.
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Re: E120s vs K120s

Postby mijknahs » Sat Sep 10, 2011 5:51 am

I don't think they sound THAT different. They have a similar sound and both cut though pretty well. I mean, if I posted recordings of K's then E's, it would be hard to tell them apart. It's not as noticeable as switching from your middle to your bridge pickup.
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Re: E120s vs K120s

Postby Pete B. » Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:47 am

I think the K's have the tonal edge for the Jerry G factor for the [lower] volume range I like these days.
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Re: E120s vs K120s

Postby mijknahs » Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:53 am

It's weird, I have a pair of E120s that are awesome. Been using them 10+ years and sound really full and deep. I have another pair that are newer (less broken in) and they sound very tight and bright. Can't stand them. I don't want to break them in because the other pair sound so much better.
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