Phil at TXR: No more Eden cabs?

Re: Phil at TXR: No more Eden cabs?

Postby Phil Lesh101 » Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:39 pm

I know that all venues sound different but I saw 2 shows summer of 2012 and they sounded completely different and they were a week apart, both of the venues being amphitheaters. I know that the venues can still sound different but it seemed as if they didn't even try to make the first show sound good, just plug in and play. As far as recordings they probably record right of the board?
Also here is some NYE audience recorded 1st set.

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Re: Phil at TXR: No more Eden cabs?

Postby Rusty the Scoob » Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:24 pm

It depends a lot on where you're sitting as well, in my experience.
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Re: Phil at TXR: No more Eden cabs?

Postby Sparechaynge » Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:13 pm

Point of interest, Phil is back to using his old Eden set for night 1 @ Sweetwater. Wonder why? Sure sounds ok to me on the stream.
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Re: Phil at TXR: No more Eden cabs?

Postby kaos » Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:39 am

Phil Lesh101: I'd like to preface this by saying I know sometimes context gets lost online, so for clarity I wasn't trying to sound like a know-it-all or talk down to you. My apologies if it came off that way; it was (and is) certainly not intended. I was just making the point that even with the best intentions of making a band sound *exactly the same* night after night, even within the same venue, it can be pretty difficult. When it is differing venues it's even harder. As Rusty said, even with the more averaged sound offered from line-array systems, it's still very much dependent upon where you happen to be in relation to the PA system. As for the actual mix, that's a whole other can of worms ;-)

I do think you're right about the plug & play aspect of it. I noticed for the NYE shows they seemed to be using an AVID SC48 console. It was front and center in FOHland. I'm not sure if it was used as the main FOH board, or feed the Web/Recording streams, or all of the above. Derek didn't really seem very hands-on with it; most of the show he seemed to be just "enduring". I also noticed what appeared to be the older Dead/Ultra-modified Gamble EX FOH board from way back parked sideways in FOHland. Not sure what (if anything) that was used for. The SC48 certainly caters to the set-and-forget mentality as just about every facet of a show can be automated after the first run-through. I think if anything this highlights the different personalities and approaches to sound held by Healy vs. Featherstone. Don't get me wrong, I've seen plenty of Primus shows back in the day, but I've never credited them with achieving stellar live sound. Derek is just a different generation of sound, charged with meeting an entirely different set of priorities and deliverables.

I think the Grateful Dead proved themselves by providing a unique and rewarding concert experience (from visual to auditory) which in turn gained them a very loyal and dedicated following leading to sold out shows and record-breaking tour income, year after year; they took a pretty long-view. Modern bands/tours take nearly the opposite approach. They provide cookie-cutter shows streamlined to cut expenses and maximize profits at every opportunity. These days tours make money by putting asses in seats; more asses seated equals more profit. Thus they won't even consider using extravagant sound systems which might obscure sight-lines or waste rows of potential seating, and they don't "waste" money on crew or sound systems because they have a short view; next month there will be a new artist charting and a new tour. Unfortunately the demise of the Grateful Dead has left the remaining members without the "authority" to really "own their show" the way the band used to. It's also left the live sound industry with few acts really pushing the envelope of audiophile-quality live sound.
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Re: Phil at TXR: No more Eden cabs?

Postby Phil Lesh101 » Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:34 pm

Sparechaynge wrote:Point of interest, Phil is back to using his old Eden set for night 1 @ Sweetwater. Wonder why? Sure sounds ok to me on the stream.

I'd bet it's because of the size of the venue. If you noticed bob isn't using his usual rig with vox cabs, John isn't using his (e120?) cabs. I think we will see the other gear back on tour once they get out of this tiny venue.
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Re: Phil at TXR: No more Eden cabs?

Postby Sparechaynge » Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:56 pm

Ahh, yeah I bet that's it. It will be interesting to compare the macbook to the eden rig.
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Re: Phil at TXR: No more Eden cabs?

Postby Phil Lesh101 » Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:25 pm

Sparechaynge wrote:Ahh, yeah I bet that's it. It will be interesting to compare the mac-book to the Eden rig.

I like them both a lot equally. I was surprised how similar that small Eden rig sounded to the Meyers w/ mac-book. the only difference I noticed is I think the Eden tone is a tad bit "Rounder"
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Re: Phil at TXR: No more Eden cabs?

Postby Sparechaynge » Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:22 pm

Ha yeah that was my thought too. Macbook has more of an edge than the eden rig.

May just be my headphones, but I wish Joey's bass drum and Phil were switched in the mix. When I turn up to hear Phil the drum hurts my ears.
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Re: Phil at TXR: No more Eden cabs?

Postby Rusty the Scoob » Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:51 am

Phil Lesh101 wrote:
Sparechaynge wrote:Point of interest, Phil is back to using his old Eden set for night 1 @ Sweetwater. Wonder why? Sure sounds ok to me on the stream.

I'd bet it's because of the size of the venue. If you noticed bob isn't using his usual rig with vox cabs, John isn't using his (e120?) cabs. I think we will see the other gear back on tour once they get out of this tiny venue.


Sounds like they maybe rented gear for the night.
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Re: Phil at TXR: No more Eden cabs?

Postby Phil Lesh101 » Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:06 am

I'm going to have to go with a no on that one scoob because 85% of all Terrapin Crossroads shows I see Phil has the same two 4x10 eden cabs and rack.
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Re: Phil at TXR: No more Eden cabs?

Postby TI4-1009 » Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:28 pm

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Phil Lesh101 wrote:
Sparechaynge wrote:Point of interest, Phil is back to using his old Eden set for night 1 @ Sweetwater. Wonder why? Sure sounds ok to me on the stream.

I'd bet it's because of the size of the venue. If you noticed bob isn't using his usual rig with vox cabs, John isn't using his (e120?) cabs. I think we will see the other gear back on tour once they get out of this tiny venue.


Sounds like they maybe rented gear for the night.


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Re: Phil at TXR: No more Eden cabs?

Postby Rusty the Scoob » Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:51 am

Ok, good point. Forgot we were talking about Terrapin Crossroads.
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Re: Phil at TXR: No more Eden cabs?

Postby Phil Lesh101 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:06 pm

Maybe Bob rented the two mesa amps he used but that rig is Phil's I think.
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Re: Phil at TXR: No more Eden cabs?

Postby pablomago » Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:05 pm

So what's in Phil's recent rack and what model Meyer's is he using?
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Re: Phil at TXR: No more Eden cabs?

Postby Phil Lesh101 » Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:36 am

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