Basic mid 70s gear (76 in particular)

Re: Basic mid 70s gear (76 in particular)

Postby Recycledsole » Sun Dec 13, 2015 1:07 pm

So what's the pedal and the cost?



mkaufman wrote:Eq can be turned on of off.

When on, there are low/mid/high controls.

There's also a master gain control.

It provides tremendous flexibility to shape your sound. You can also use it as an onboard boost.

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Re: Basic mid 70s gear (76 in particular)

Postby mkaufman » Sun Dec 13, 2015 2:05 pm

It's integrated into the 2622 guitar.

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Re: Basic mid 70s gear (76 in particular)

Postby Dozin » Sun Dec 13, 2015 3:15 pm

This is what the EQ pedal looks like.

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Re: Basic mid 70s gear (76 in particular)

Postby Forgotten Space » Sun Dec 13, 2015 7:42 pm

That is sweet!

Is it home made? How would one go about building or buying one of these?
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Re: Basic mid 70s gear (76 in particular)

Postby Dozin » Sun Dec 13, 2015 9:36 pm

Yes, it's home made and personalized (my initials are CS) from a guy in Germany for $170. I believe that included the shipping cost.
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Re: Basic mid 70s gear (76 in particular)

Postby lovetoboogie » Sun Dec 13, 2015 11:15 pm

It's worth noting that Weir used his heavily modified Ibanez 2681 for all but 5 of the 41 gigs with the Dead in 1976, as well as Kingfish gigs. The guitar bears little resemblance to the production model. Among other things; the sliding single coil to address Weir's obsession with phase proximity, coil cut switches for the Ibanez humbuckers, an on-off switch for both humbuckers to isolate just the single coil...what that guitar did not have was active electronics, or an active EQ. It was a rudimentary passive tone circuit similar to a Gibson Varitone with extra tone pots....

The first Ibanez Cowboy shows up with with an active EQ for the 9/23 Duke show where it acts up immediately and Weir finishes the gig on his 335. He goes back to the 2681 until Cowboy shows up again in Detroit on 10/3 where he plays it for part of the show. Whatever he didn't like about it seems to get ironed out by the double bill with The Who on 10/9-10/10 in Oakland. And that becomes his main guitar...great instrument with great flexibility.

All of 76' is played through a Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo pre-amped out to a McIntosh power amp feeding cabs loaded with Gauss and JBL speakers except for the first 2 gigs that year in Portland where he uses a MusicMan HD Head...

But any old guitar and amp will do! ;)
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Re: Basic mid 70s gear (76 in particular)

Postby lovetoboogie » Sun Dec 13, 2015 11:16 pm

Dozin wrote:This is what the EQ pedal looks like.

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This pedal looks badass. Dig it!
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Re: Basic mid 70s gear (76 in particular)

Postby lovetoboogie » Mon Dec 14, 2015 9:59 am

Here is a shot of Weir's 76' rig...late 76'(Sept./October)...

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Re: Basic mid 70s gear (76 in particular)

Postby mkaufman » Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:30 am

Where's did you find the 2nd pic? It was used by Ibanez in the 2681 promo shot. I've never seen it outside of the promo piece. I'm pretty sure it's from a 1975 Kingfish show.

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Re: Basic mid 70s gear (76 in particular)

Postby mkaufman » Mon Dec 14, 2015 11:29 am

lovetoboogie wrote:It's worth noting that Weir used his heavily modified Ibanez 2681 for all but 5 of the 41 gigs with the Dead in 1976, as well as Kingfish gigs. The guitar bears little resemblance to the production model. Among other things; the sliding single coil to address Weir's obsession with phase proximity, coil cut switches for the Ibanez humbuckers, an on-off switch for both humbuckers to isolate just the single coil...what that guitar did not have was active electronics, or an active EQ. It was a rudimentary passive tone circuit similar to a Gibson Varitone with extra tone pots....

The first Ibanez Cowboy shows up with with an active EQ for the 9/23 Duke show where it acts up immediately and Weir finishes the gig on his 335. He goes back to the 2681 until Cowboy shows up again in Detroit on 10/3 where he plays it for part of the show. Whatever he didn't like about it seems to get ironed out by the double bill with The Who on 10/9-10/10 in Oakland. And that becomes his main guitar...great instrument with great flexibility.

All of 76' is played through a Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo pre-amped out to a McIntosh power amp feeding cabs loaded with Gauss and JBL speakers except for the first 2 gigs that year in Portland where he uses a MusicMan HD Head...

But any old guitar and amp will do! ;)


I question some of this information:

- coil cut switches? Maybe, but is there absolute proof?

- active EQ introduced on 9/23/76? His fancy brown guitar (played in lieu of the 2681) was retrofitted with the EQ, but not until later. 10/9-10/76 (Day on the Green) and 12/31/76 pics clearly show the brown guitar with no onboard EQ. 1978 photos show the onboard eq. May take is this: Ibanez introduced the onboard EQ with the Steve Miller model, first made in 1977. I'm pretty sure that the brown guitar was retrofitted with the EQ in late '77, possibly early '78.

I'd love to hear/see more...

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Re: Basic mid 70s gear (76 in particular)

Postby lovetoboogie » Mon Dec 14, 2015 7:10 pm

mkaufman wrote:Where's did you find the 2nd pic? It was used by Ibanez in the 2681 promo shot. I've never seen it outside of the promo piece. I'm pretty sure it's from a 1975 Kingfish show.

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It is a promo shot. It is one if the better close ups of the 2681.
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Re: Basic mid 70s gear (76 in particular)

Postby mkaufman » Mon Dec 14, 2015 8:45 pm

Here are the pics of the brown guitar. This and the 2681 were the (2) guitars that Weir was playing at this time. I assume the brown guitar is what you are calling the 'Cowboy':

9/3/77: There is no EQ
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12/30/77: The EQ now exists
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My claim is that the EQ was added to the brown guitar in late '77. There are probably more pics which can narrow it down even finer. This timing fits nicely with when Ibanez released the Steve Miller 2622 which was the first Ibanez guitar to have the onboard EQ.

One last comment: I don't consider that brown guitar to be the 'Cowboy'. To me, the Cowboy was delivered to Weir in mid-'78 and first appears at 9/2/78 (Giant's stadium) or possibly slightly earlier.

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Re: Basic mid 70s gear (76 in particular)

Postby strumminsix » Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:16 am

Great advice so far. From another angle... on what you can get locally or used or cheaper:
Jazz Chorus, 120 works wonderfully.
EQ pedal for cutting
Dual humbucker guitar with: 24 frets (gets neck pickup in good spot), then pickups like Holy Grail, mini toggle them( series, parallel, single), then use another switches for out of phase.

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Re: Basic mid 70s gear (76 in particular)

Postby mkaufman » Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:37 am

24 frets? Although he used 24.75 and 25.5 scale lengths, I don't think Bob ever used 24 frets on an Ibanez, except for the Musician which doesn't count.

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Re: Basic mid 70s gear (76 in particular)

Postby Dozin » Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:54 am

And what do you mean by using the EQ for cutting?
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