joethepainter wrote:I play through 2 E-120's, big part of the Jerry Tone. I'm also running an SMS through a Carvin DCM200L, and I agree with Jon...no, it's not a McIntosh, but it's also not a QSC, either. The Carvin is designed to be a guitar amp, and sounds fantastic, especially paired with the SMS. I had an mv-962, the Carvin blows it away. I'm sure when I finally get a McIntosh, I'll love it. But, I'm in no hurry, my rig as it is now is very inspiring to play through, very loud, and very Jerry!
James-T wrote:Hey cool thread. I'd have to say it's busting some myths. I've always wondered how a frigging mac could add so much dimension to the sound when after all its just adding power. I talked to our local Fender guru about this and he said Jerry would have used the Mac for the power not the tone. Case in point is Vic's setup. He's using an Fractal amp modeller and getting some of the best Jerry tones around in a professional setting. I can tell you that Fractal does not model the power amps it models the preamps (correct me if I'm wrong). I think the E120's would have a lot more to do with the tone than the power amp. Mac = super high quality. But for tone I'm sure there are other choices out there - like Fender's preamps, BGW, Carvin and so on - and there are some bad choices as well no doubt!
Anyways back onto the E120's. I like mine but its certainly not my favourite speaker, but I like Jerry's tone more from around 78 more than mid eighties so what do I know. Here's a comparison video I did for the group. I actually like the Celestions the most then the D120's then the E120. The Celestions sound very Jerry like to my ears and pretty similar to a D120, just without a bit of the "honk".
I learned a lot about speakers through my Fractal and through Vic's generosity of posting his IR's (recorded impulse responses) of his K110's and E120's. With the Ultra you can compare them to a whole host of speakers. I can say that they aren't the only choices in a Fractal platform that will get you a decent Jerry tone - but they are a good for the job - for sure.
My take on it: D120 (or K110) sounds vintage, E120 sounds modern and clinical.If you want a Live Dead, E72 or Wall of Sound tone go with the D120, if you want that mid to late 80's tone you need the E120 for sure. It becomes a matter of taste and its your playing that will effect your Jerry tone more than the power amp and speaker choice of course, but a good speaker is pretty critical.
I'm glad to hear there is lots of love for the Carvin as well. That's pretty good advice for someone who's not taken the plunge. I have a vintage BGW. Its a pretty sweet power amp to and it was like $100 on CL - a ton of power and in its day was used by many professional outfits. I can't imagine needing to upgrade it. When partnered with the Ultra my BGW went head to head all day long with my now departed 73 twin. Some day I may try out a SMS but these days I'm back to vintage fender with a 73 Vibrolux. It just makes sense as I play small venues 50-250 and not stadiums. I'm getting my Fractal dialled in as an effects processor - retiring the whole digital amp modeller thing, and nothing beats a clean Fender preamp, and the Vibrolux can fatten up enough at a not to ear shattering volume to sound decent in any setting.
James you gotta open up that E120. How much power you sending it?
Celestion has too many cheap grades of speakers that can be sold at walgreens
Searing75 wrote:The blue meters are what produce the tone we are all after!
The 250D was an EXTREMELY viable backup when used with an Earth Drive (and a hell of a lot lighter, too). To my ears, turning the pre-amp up quite a ways gets that '87 tone pretty well!
waldo041 wrote:Searing75 wrote:The blue meters are what produce the tone we are all after!
Those blue meters while not actually producing the tone, they do give us a very big clue!
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