What tubes are in your SMS?

What tubes are in your SMS?

Postby Winterland » Fri Nov 15, 2013 4:36 pm

Had a tube issue and changed the tubes. Noticed a way different sound. I was wondering if
anyone had the same experience. I am using a 12AX7R and noticed a great distortion sound. Not too much
but enough to play chords cleanish and have a great lead tone. What are you guys using?
Winterland
Jester
Jester
 
Posts: 145
Joined: Thu May 31, 2007 12:22 pm
Location: PA

Re: What tubes are in your SMS?

Postby Jon S. » Sat Nov 16, 2013 9:16 am

I would appreciate learning from others' experiences here, too. Since I got my FYD, I've noticed, among other things, that while both are excellent for Jerry tone, the sweep on the FYD's mid control is greater than that on my SMS, allowing for a fuller/meatier tone when desired. I do NOT want to get into modifying any of my SMS's components but would consider a tube swap if helpful.
"For me, I think the only danger is being too much in love with guitar playing. The music is the most important thing, and the guitar is only the instrument." Jerry Garcia
User avatar
Jon S.
Senior Member
 
Posts: 1402
Joined: Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:34 pm

Re: What tubes are in your SMS?

Postby Smolder » Sat Nov 16, 2013 9:48 am

old stock RCA short blackplates. Best tubes ever in a fender IMHO.
Smolder
Senior Member
 
Posts: 625
Joined: Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:42 am
Location: 8152 feet... in the rockies.

Re: What tubes are in your SMS?

Postby Jon S. » Sat Nov 16, 2013 10:17 am

Accepting that there are no equal new stock tubes to the old RCA blackplates, what in your view comes closest?
"For me, I think the only danger is being too much in love with guitar playing. The music is the most important thing, and the guitar is only the instrument." Jerry Garcia
User avatar
Jon S.
Senior Member
 
Posts: 1402
Joined: Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:34 pm

Re: What tubes are in your SMS?

Postby Smolder » Sat Nov 16, 2013 10:44 am

Jon S. wrote:Accepting that there are no equal new stock tubes to the old RCA blackplates, what in your view comes closest?


I'm not the guy to ask about new manufactured tubes - I just don't know, though I was impressed with the ones that Brad ships with the unit. You might reach out to him directly... I suspect he chose them based upon their tone rather than price like a lot of larger manufacturers.
Smolder
Senior Member
 
Posts: 625
Joined: Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:42 am
Location: 8152 feet... in the rockies.

Re: What tubes are in your SMS?

Postby Jon S. » Sat Nov 16, 2013 3:10 pm

Or Brad could chime in here directly. In any event, like many here (you, too, probably), I have drawers full of preamp tubes, old stock (GE, RCA, Phillips, Raytheon) and new (Groove Tubes, EH, JJ, Sovtek, etc.). Sounds like a fun upcoming afternoon at some point (tube testing in the SMS)!
"For me, I think the only danger is being too much in love with guitar playing. The music is the most important thing, and the guitar is only the instrument." Jerry Garcia
User avatar
Jon S.
Senior Member
 
Posts: 1402
Joined: Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:34 pm

Re: What tubes are in your SMS?

Postby claytushaywood » Mon Nov 18, 2013 8:44 am

if you wanna get some good NOS tubes at a reasonable price I recommend kcanostubes - Ive bought severeal ANOS ("almost new old stock"- means theyre slightly used but tested) with great results. I actually really love putting a 5751 in a fender's first gain stage. it lowers the amount of preamp gain youll get, and i think it adds a ton of sparkle and depth. dont know about an SMS though never tried em in one
User avatar
claytushaywood
Billy
Billy
 
Posts: 228
Joined: Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:34 pm
Location: Kentucky

Re: What tubes are in your SMS?

Postby Smolder » Mon Nov 18, 2013 11:19 am

Jon S. wrote:Or Brad could chime in here directly. In any event, like many here (you, too, probably), I have drawers full of preamp tubes, old stock (GE, RCA, Phillips, Raytheon) and new (Groove Tubes, EH, JJ, Sovtek, etc.). Sounds like a fun upcoming afternoon at some point (tube testing in the SMS)!


Yah - I haven't seen Brad posting much. What with a couple of new amp and pedal products... he seems to be growing beyond this relatively small market... and that does take a ton of time.
Smolder
Senior Member
 
Posts: 625
Joined: Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:42 am
Location: 8152 feet... in the rockies.

Re: What tubes are in your SMS?

Postby Jon S. » Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:54 pm

claytushaywood wrote:if you wanna get some good NOS tubes at a reasonable price I recommend kcanostubes - Ive bought severeal ANOS ("almost new old stock"- means theyre slightly used but tested) with great results. I actually really love putting a 5751 in a fender's first gain stage. it lowers the amount of preamp gain youll get, and i think it adds a ton of sparkle and depth. dont know about an SMS though never tried em in one

I know Mike Kropoktin for years - he's local to me in northern VA - and agree that he's both extremely knowledgeable and usually has a nice selection on hand. I've bought many tubes from Mike over the years (though admittedly not lately as I'm trying to emphasize good-sounding new stock tubes to the extent I can plus I've moved to SS power amps) and wouldn't hesitate also to recommend him to others. In fact, Mike's already recommended for me in this case an NOS RFT.

Mike's post: http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showpo ... stcount=20

Full thread: http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showth ... ?t=1349487
"For me, I think the only danger is being too much in love with guitar playing. The music is the most important thing, and the guitar is only the instrument." Jerry Garcia
User avatar
Jon S.
Senior Member
 
Posts: 1402
Joined: Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:34 pm

Re: What tubes are in your SMS?

Postby SarnoMusicSolutions » Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:36 pm

[edited - duplicate posting]
Last edited by SarnoMusicSolutions on Mon Nov 25, 2013 8:16 am, edited 1 time in total.
... and it's just like any other day that's ever been...
SarnoMusicSolutions
Senior Member
 
Posts: 1054
Joined: Tue Jan 27, 2009 6:15 pm
Location: St. Louis, MO - USA

Re: What tubes are in your SMS?

Postby SarnoMusicSolutions » Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:36 pm

I love the sound of RCA 7025's or 12AX7's. There's something real nice about the top-top end, not so glassy, works well with a treble-on-10 kind of approach.

I'm here, not gone, just busy - less internet time.

B
... and it's just like any other day that's ever been...
SarnoMusicSolutions
Senior Member
 
Posts: 1054
Joined: Tue Jan 27, 2009 6:15 pm
Location: St. Louis, MO - USA

Re: What tubes are in your SMS?

Postby Jon S. » Sat Nov 23, 2013 9:52 am

Hi, Brad. I've got some of each and will try them!
"For me, I think the only danger is being too much in love with guitar playing. The music is the most important thing, and the guitar is only the instrument." Jerry Garcia
User avatar
Jon S.
Senior Member
 
Posts: 1402
Joined: Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:34 pm

Re: What tubes are in your SMS?

Postby gpilcher2001 » Sat Nov 30, 2013 8:27 am

I started using the TAD brand 12ax7 after reading about them on sarnos website. I think they're shaugong? Chinnese tube. They do sound the best to me out of the jj's and the russian ones I've tried. All though I'm using them an ab763 clone I built, not an sms. It has the same mods though. Greg...
good to know you got shoes to wear when you find the floor.....
User avatar
gpilcher2001
Terrapin
Terrapin
 
Posts: 159
Joined: Wed Sep 08, 2010 8:54 pm
Location: colorado

Re: What tubes are in your SMS?

Postby Jon S. » Sat Dec 07, 2013 1:49 pm

SarnoMusicSolutions wrote:I love the sound of RCA 7025's or 12AX7's. There's something real nice about the top-top end, not so glassy, works well with a treble-on-10 kind of approach. ...

B

Just finished experimenting with V1 in my SMS. Did it together with my tech, Pete Cage (two sets of ears are better than one sometimes). http://www.audiocage.com/

Before we even opened up the SMS, Pete said, "This is a TR circuit, right? Then I'd say there's nothing better in a TR preamp than RCAs. Did you bring any with you?"

Turns out I did, but after some experimentation, a Raytheon 5751 won the day. Easy to make up the gain difference at the SMS's front gain knob. The tube is like the voice of angels in my SMS. I could not be more pleased now with its tone! It's still got all of the stock tube's treble (if not more) but with no icepick and the mids are so much more pleasing and present (indeed, I was running the preamp previously with the mid control dimed; with the Raytheon, I've backed it down to half).

I'd advise everyone with an SMS to at least try some alternate preamp tubes in your preamp's V1 (even if "I'm perfectly happy with the sound as is"). Takes little time, it's easy to remove the SMS cover to access the tube sockets (just remember to also unscrew the front panel screw), and is an interesting experience regardless of how you ultimately come out.

Just my 2 cents. :)
"For me, I think the only danger is being too much in love with guitar playing. The music is the most important thing, and the guitar is only the instrument." Jerry Garcia
User avatar
Jon S.
Senior Member
 
Posts: 1402
Joined: Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:34 pm

Re: What tubes are in your SMS?

Postby Smolder » Sat Dec 07, 2013 7:56 pm

Thanks Jon... very interesting.

Knowing it was a 763 pre, and that I did not plan to move it (not my gigging rig) I immediately put long black plate RCA's in both spots. Tube rolling never really occurred to me, and certainly not a 5751. I run mine at half on the MC50, full output volume, and about 9-10 o'clock on the gain. Treble is near max, mid about 1:00 and bass nearly off... all into a K130 in a pine cab. You have me re-thinking...
Smolder
Senior Member
 
Posts: 625
Joined: Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:42 am
Location: 8152 feet... in the rockies.

Next

Return to Jerry Tone

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 3 guests