Did you see the DEAD scene in '95 at all??? It was disgusting and exactly as you describe Hampton. Did you see the Phish scene BEFORE 1995 broadsided us? I say "us" because I was very much a part of the Phish scene in the early 90's (about 45 shows) and in almost every instance it was WAYYYY kinder imho than most scenes outside Dead shows that I had attended (about a 150)
chicken or egg which came first...
dead ed 65 wrote:Not to completely change direction here, but I always felt that the Phish scene was never as socially conscious as the Dead. And one of the major factors (IMHO) was the music itself. Here you have the Dead playing Wharf Rat, Loser, etc., you know, songs about the human condition. Songs that create empathy for your fellow man. But it seems that Phish was all about just having fun without ever mentioning any of the bringdowns of the society they helped mold. It was a microcosm of the youth of the era.
Not that the Dead weren't about having fun, too, but I think the fans were a little older (and I hope wiser) and were a little bit more aware of the ramifications of irresponsible behavior.
The parking lot scene at the last Phish show I ever saw (Hampton circa '95 or so) was absolute chaos. People passed out, people throwing bottles, etc. So I never went back. Of course, I saw similar things at Dead shows, but not to the same extent.
I just think the Dead and/or it's fans were more about the collective scene (strangers stopping strangers, just to shake their hand) than about I/Me/Mine and how f*cked up can I get.