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Jerry's heavy "clean" tone 1983

Postby mijknahs » Sun Oct 17, 2010 7:39 pm

http://ia311216.us.archive.org/3/items/ ... 7_64kb.mp3

Check out his Althea and listen to the tone of the solos. I believe this to be about the "dirtiest" clean tone of the 80's. I believe this tone to be the MC2300 pushing the JBL E120's "too hard". I don't think this is any kind of pedal overdrive. It may be the Twin driving the Mac a little more than 1982 or even 1984. I love this tone though.

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Re: Jerry's heavy "clean" tone 1983

Postby waldo041 » Sun Oct 17, 2010 8:26 pm



humbucker, guitar volume pushed. guitar volume rolled back to clean things up. same for those althea solo's. however, i think there is something else going on just like that 83 example, but as you said not a pedal, and imo, not pushed jbl's nor front end tube clipping.

here's another dirty example from this same show. in the beginning you see him hit the floor pedal turning the dist/overdrive on and the delay on, but the effects loop on the guitar is not on, and he is really dirty already. at the solo (2:31) you see him flip the guitar effects loop switch and then it's just sit back and enjoy. at 2:43 he kicks the delay off.



if anybody ever wondered what we were talking about as far as clean dirty jerry tone, these are great examples!

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Re: Jerry's heavy "clean" tone 1983

Postby mijknahs » Sun Oct 17, 2010 8:40 pm

Maybe I could have said "a hotter signal from the Twin pushing the MC2300 into clipping"?
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Re: Jerry's heavy "clean" tone 1983

Postby waldo041 » Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:00 pm

mijknahs wrote:Maybe I could have said "a hotter signal from the Twin pushing the MC2300 into clipping"?


i understand, but have to wonder how long a mac could survive getting clipped like that? also, there not really made to clip, and take some power to clip them. we know where both the twin pre and mc2300 volume were set and they don't lend to this theory. i love that tone also!

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Re: Jerry's heavy "clean" tone 1983

Postby jdsmodulus » Mon Oct 18, 2010 6:30 am

That Might as Well was so jammin it kinda made me sad! :shock:
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Re: Jerry's heavy "clean" tone 1983

Postby JonnyBoy » Mon Oct 18, 2010 8:38 am

a secret booster? an LPB1 can help things get dirty like that.
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Re: Jerry's heavy "clean" tone 1983

Postby mijknahs » Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:15 am

I really doubt a secret booster. You can get that sound, especially with an MC50 cranked up maybe half way (12:00) into a 4 ohm, 2x12 JBL E120 cab, Twin on 5 and guitar volume maybe 3/4 up (middle Super 2 split). There is this certain overtone you can hear especially when the speakers start moving. I can hear it especially on the Althea link. I also hear it a lot in '83 on some of those smokin' Big RR Blues.

I can get it at lower volumes with the MC2300 when I run it from the 1 ohm tap into a 4 ohm (2x12) JBL E120 cab. I really think it's the JBLs getting pushed beyond their comfort zone because I hear it especially when the cones start poppin' out. It might be a combination of the Mac clipping and the JBL's getting over pushed. It's not the buzzy distortion of preamp tube or pedal type.

Backing the volume off on the guitar just slightly will clean it up.
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Re: Jerry's heavy "clean" tone 1983

Postby strumminsix » Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:31 am

I'll just throw it out there...

Anyone ever think maybe it's the microphone being clipped or the sound reinforcement in overdrive.

As an example of the latter theory:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1977-1 ... sbeok.shnf

Listen to Loser or jump to 4:30.
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Re: Jerry's heavy "clean" tone 1983

Postby JonnyBoy » Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:40 am

That's possible strum, I have been able to get the MC50 to clip, but not as harmonic as that. Again, It sounds real close to MAW with the LPB1, and turning down cleans it up too. :smile:
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Re: Jerry's heavy "clean" tone 1983

Postby gr8fulbluz » Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:42 am

Heavy clean is a good description, I love that UJB intro.

Listening to the China/Rider from that same 88 Hampton now, the tone seems nice and clean during the noodle-ing ---really great 'Garcia tone' like when i think of it in my head that is what i think.

great sound on the video, Wow. :cheers:
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Re: Jerry's heavy "clean" tone 1983

Postby waldo041 » Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:59 am

JonnyBoy wrote:That's possible strum, I have been able to get the MC50 to clip, but not as harmonic as that. Again, It sounds real close to MAW with the LPB1, and turning down cleans it up too. :smile:



hitting the 1st preamp tube harder, imo, is not the "sound" he is getting there. that is what you are doing when using an LPB1 in front. jerry also used a blaster for many years which was in front and it cannot hit unity, but starts at about a 3db level with the trimmer all the way down/off and he didn't get this type of clip. the blaster and LPB1 while not exactly the same circuits, do the clean overdrive thing. i experimented with both after the JK revelation and absolutely do not believe that is the right approach here.

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Re: Jerry's heavy "clean" tone 1983

Postby tigerstrat » Mon Oct 18, 2010 2:31 pm

waldo041 wrote: the JK revelation


Did I miss this? Can someone give me the gist?
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Re: Jerry's heavy "clean" tone 1983

Postby JonnyBoy » Mon Oct 18, 2010 3:00 pm

During JK's brief visit here speaking about his tone and GT Trio, he was trying to get a good OD sound and found the LPB1 to do the trick for him in the end, after a few different approaches. I have used a LPB1 for a long time, it has always been a good way to get a boost and transparent dirt out of a tube amp.

How about a booster after the preamp and then into the mac? just a guess... :roll:
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Re: Jerry's heavy "clean" tone 1983

Postby mijknahs » Mon Oct 18, 2010 3:08 pm

A good way to boost the signal to the Mac is to turn the Twin up a notch or two (or the SMS ; ))!
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Re: Jerry's heavy "clean" tone 1983

Postby Chuckles » Mon Oct 18, 2010 3:53 pm

Don't use a Mac, but I turn the "pad" up on the SMS a bit to get a little clipping on my MosValve... still not dialed in, but getting there!
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