strumminsix wrote:Waldo, market yourself, homey. Figure out a way to get Irsay's ear so that he knows once you show up he can just say no to other requests as you will do it fully!
Rusty the Scoob wrote:Did GDP ever offer to either settle with Doug out of court or buy the instruments from him outright?
waldo041 wrote: the unfortunate thing i just reread in your post's is your lack of belief of what went down or has been said went down, and see it your own way with hypotheticals.
i am sorry, but doug got what he deserved and the GDP got what they deserved regardless of what you or i believe.
and GDP should be applauded for not dragging the whole thing to a court room and doing the right thing.
all they wanted was to keep their brothers magnificent instruments,
waldo041 wrote:strumminsix wrote:Waldo, market yourself, homey. Figure out a way to get Irsay's ear so that he knows once you show up he can just say no to other requests as you will do it fully!
strum i have tried everything for the last few years short of buying season tickets and sitting outside his office!
waldo041 wrote:as to micks WP argument. these guys were paid wages from a company they owned and operated...... this is not a bar band where you split the wages evenly between the individuals that play in the band. this was a company that received all money for the work and payed the individuals for there work within the company.
SO, if the GDP paid for the guitar it is not the same as jerry paying for it out of his wages.
the 2 are seperate entities. and this is why doug got what jerry COULD will him, even though he willed them all to him, the company paid for certain instruments and the "employees" individual wages paid for certain instruments. the personal payments made by jerry garcia were for wolf and tiger in the form of cash. the others were paid by GDP in the form of a company check. the company did not die when jerry did only there main source of income did, the band.
not a money issue because if there were a settlement with none of this legal ownership stuff, he'd would have gotten maybe 1 guitar and that "may" have been out of respect for jerry's will. OR if they were so money hungry, they would never have given him wolf and tiger, but one if not both of the other 2.
personally i take no offense in your opinions on the matter, but i am telling you why he got wolf and tiger, and not from an opinion. it comes from someone on the inside that states how and why doug got what he got! i totally understand you don't believe me, but it is the truth and exactly why they quickly settled after going after them so hard.
as for doug and a "settlement", he wasn't going to take a lower price for them from the GDP as NO ONE knew what the price of them was going to be in the open market. i am sure he would have been offered fair market value for them, but doug "most likely" thought he could get more then there payment in the open market. and he was correct and probably offended he couldn't get all of them, so he as well as they, were all bitter of the mistake jerry made in his will.
oh and i have read the will, Doug Erwin was to get the instruments.
In his will, the singer pledged the guitars to Mr Irwin, who had made them between 1981 and 1989.
But Grateful Dead Productions contested the will, saying it was the company who owned them, and they were never Mr Garcia's to give away.
The parties were close to an agreement in November, but Mr Irwin pulled out at the last minute over a clause which would give the band first refusal before he sold any of the guitars.
Mr Irwin's lawyers said that could scare off any potential bidders.
Mr Irwin's attorney Douglas Long said the question of the guitars' value has been one of the big stumbling blocks to reaching a deal.
He said: "There is only one way to figure out what something is worth, and that is at public auction. You've got to give the world a chance to buy it."
The former band members say Grateful Dead Productions Inc. began as a partnership made up solely of the band members and always bought and maintained instruments as a group to avoid arguments.
"We all owned it all. All for one and one for all" said a "letter to Deadheads" posted on the Internet and signed by ex-band members Bob Weir Mickey Hart and Bill Kreutzmann. "Doug Irwin's motives and those of his lawyers appear pretty clear. They want the money the guitars will bring at auction."
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