Saint of C chord changes

Saint of C chord changes

Postby mttourpro » Mon Sep 14, 2009 2:01 pm

So after playing this song for about 15 years, I just learned a very cool nuance I never knew before....i.e. I was playing it wrong all these years.
The change is over the third line in the verse over the words "was it you I heard singing"---that G is really a C over a G (C/G) as I've indicated below.
Try it and see what you think. NOTE--the way you voice the chord will effect it sounding right or not.

Sorry, but I can never get chords I paste to line-up right when I copy them. :?




This must be heaven, tonight I cross the line.
A A C Bm
You must be the angel, I thought I might never find.
E A G/C F#m Bm
Was it you I heard singing, Oh while I was chasin' dreams.
F#m Bm F#m Bm
Driven by the wind, like the dust that blows around,
A G D A G D
And the rain fallin' down, but I never know.
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This must be heaven, tonight I cross the line.
                A        A               C     Bm
You must be the angel, I thought I might never find.
       E           A      G/C                       F#m    Bm
Was it you I heard singing, Oh while I was chasin' dreams.
              F#m Bm                          F#m   Bm
Driven by the wind, like the dust that blows around,
                          A G D                  A G D
And the rain fallin' down,     but I never know.
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Re: Saint of C chord changes

Postby tigerstrat » Mon Sep 14, 2009 8:25 pm

Been a couple years since we've had this one in rotation.

Are you saying C/G or G(sus4)/C? The sus4 sounds good to me in the indicated spot, but some of these other chords are not ringing a bell for me... and I've got G or G/B where Bm is indicated in the "while I was chasing dreams" parts.
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Re: Saint of C chord changes

Postby tigerstrat » Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:59 pm

I also would call the Bb at the end of the 1st line of verse (or "Bb #11" as it is called in the deadstein version) a Bb(add11): 1-3-5-11
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Re: Saint of C chord changes

Postby mttourpro » Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:42 pm

tigerstrat wrote:Been a couple years since we've had this one in rotation.

Are you saying C/G or G(sus4)/C? The sus4 sounds good to me in the indicated spot, but some of these other chords are not ringing a bell for me... and I've got G or G/B where Bm is indicated in the "while I was chasing dreams" parts.



I tried G sus/G and it sounded ok but it's not as accurate ( I think) as an actual C/G---the voicing of the C is pretty important.

I settled on a G in my left hand and a C chord voiced ECGE in ascending order( otherwise known by theory freaks as a C 6-3) and it sounds very correct in a way that gives you that nuance that isn't there with a straight G chord. Just one of those little things that I love about GD songs, you know.


I think that B minor seems right to folks because that's how it is in Sailor, but in Saint, they go back and forth between the F#min and G/B as you play it.

Now that I see how to line it up, I'm gonna change what i think needs changed and repost in a minute. MT
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Re: Saint of C chord changes

Postby mttourpro » Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:25 pm

Intro
Verse Part
A G D

A A C Bm Bb
This must be heaven, tonight I cross the line.
A A C Bm
You must be the angel, I thought I might never find.
E A C/G F#m G/B
Was it you I heard singing, Oh while I was chasin' dreams.
F#m G/B F#m G/B
Driven by the wind, like the dust that blows around,
A G D A G D
And the rain fallin' down, but I never know.

Got to be heaven, cause here's where the rainbow ends.
If this ain't the real thing, then it's close enough to pretend.
When that wind blows, when the night's about to fall.
You can hear the silence call, it's a certain sort of sound,
Bb
Like the rain fallin' down.

Bridge

E D A D
Holes in what's left of my reason,
E D A D
Holes in the knees of my blues.
E D A A A# B A C#m B A B
Odds against me been increasin', but I'll pull through.
E D A D
I never could read no road map,
E D A D
And I don't know what the weather might do.
E D A
Hear that witch wind whine and see the dog star shine,
D C# B A Bb (riff)
I got a feeling there's no time to lose,
A G/C F#m G/B Bb(Riff) A G/C F#m G/B
No time to lose.

I never know. I don't never know, know, know.

I completely give up---I tried about 10 times to make this line-up properly...insert emoticon waving a white flag. :evil: :cry:
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Re: Saint of C chord changes

Postby strumminsix » Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:45 pm

Use the CODE before and after..
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Intro
Verse Part
A  G D

             A         A       C         Bm    Bb
This must be heaven, tonight I cross the line.
                A        A               C     Bm
You must be the angel, I thought I might never find.
       E           A      C/G                       F#m    G/B
Was it you I heard singing, Oh while I was chasin' dreams.
              F#m G/B                          F#m   G/B
Driven by the wind, like the dust that blows around,
                          A G D                  A G D
And the rain fallin' down,     but I never know.

Got to be heaven, cause here's where the rainbow ends.
If this ain't the real thing, then it's close enough to pretend.
When that wind blows, when the night's about to fall.
You can hear the silence call,   it's a certain sort of sound,
                            Bb
Like the rain fallin' down.

Bridge

E                                 D  A           D
Holes in what's left of my reason,
E                                D   A           D
Holes in the knees of my blues.
E                                D   A               A  A#  B          A C#m  B A B
Odds against me been increasin', but I'll pull through.
  E                         D   A               D
I never could read no road map,
           E                                          D     A       D
And I don't know what the weather might do.
                 E                               D       A       
Hear that witch wind whine and see the dog star shine,
             D                 C# B      A    Bb  (riff)
I got a feeling there's no time to lose,
                   A    G/C    F#m     G/B       Bb(Riff)     A   G/C   F#m  G/B
No time to lose.

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Re: Saint of C chord changes

Postby mttourpro » Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:43 am

:hail:

I tried every combo I could think of and thought I finally had it, but I guess I didn't. :?
Thanks for doing that SS....I'm not even gonna ask how you did it at this point.

So, thoughts on those changes??
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Re: Saint of C chord changes

Postby strumminsix » Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:14 pm

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I've never worked up that song fully 100% stage ready but I do recall adding an A7 after the opening A and doing an G#6 in place of your Bb.

I see now that the G#6 is just an addition of an A# away from = Bbadd11 that TS suggests.

Otherwise I think it's very good! Only gave it a few go-arounds last night, though.
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Re: Saint of C chord changes

Postby mttourpro » Wed Sep 16, 2009 1:41 pm

Thanks for the compu-tutorial...but, SS I think I'm a lost cause. I had a computer at work for 5 years I never turned on, bought a home pc in 2001 and am still on $5 a month dial-up. The only reason I know how to email is I was forced to learn due to work. I banged out every cxollege paper on a 1923 Royal that weighed 40 lbs. FWIW, I have never owned a cell phone. Yes, I am a Dinosaur....and, not a very techno-savy one either.

Thanks for the help...maybe I'll try it again when I feel like frustrating myself again.
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Re: Saint of C chord changes

Postby strumminsix » Fri Sep 17, 2010 3:43 pm

mttourpro wrote::hail:

I tried every combo I could think of and thought I finally had it, but I guess I didn't. :?
Thanks for doing that SS....I'm not even gonna ask how you did it at this point.

So, thoughts on those changes??



After digging through Lost Sailor, we disagree with this part:
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                   A    G/C    F#m     G/B       Bb(Riff)     A   G/C   F#m  G/B
No time to lose.

It's the same walk down in Lost Sailor:
A / | A/G (or G6 double if you prefer) / | F#m / | Gmaj7 /

To my ears that hook back to Sailor changes the mood the BAM! right back into Saint.

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